The way Forbes magazine figures it, Oprah Winfrey is more powerful than Laura Bush.
Winfrey ranks 36th on the Forbes list of the 100 most powerful women in the world, eight places ahead of the first lady.
TV newswomen are all bunched together from number 61 to 65. Meredith Vieira is followed by Katie Couric, Barbara Walters and Diane Sawyer. All are considered more powerful than the presidents of four countries and only slightly less powerful than the Queen of England.
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton slipped three places from last year to number 28.
First lady Laura Bush ranks 44th, up 16 places from last year.
Topping the list for the third straight year is the Chancellor of Germany, Angela Merkel.