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Posted: 5:48 PM Jul 4, 2008
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HOLTON, Kan. - Holton Police say at around 4:00 a.m. Kurtis Ramage, 18 years of age, of rural Holton allegedly shot Jessie Hayes, 18 of Holton and a 17 year old female also of Holton.

Members of the Holton Police Department and the Jackson County Sheriffʼs Office arrived on scene to find both victims in front of 626 Ohio Ave, home of the 17 year old female.

Ramage had fled the scene. Ramage was brought into the Sheriffʼs Office by his father.

Ramage is currently being held on two counts of attempted first degree murder along with other charges. Hayes was treated at St. Francis Hospital for his injuries and released. The female was stabilized at Stormont-Vail Hospital then transferred to KU Medical Center in Kansas City with critical injuries.

Bullets fired during the incident had also passed through the exterior wall of the neighboring residence and lodged in an interior wall. No injuries were sustained at that residence.

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Posted by: Someone Location: Holton on Mar 13, 2009 at 06:52 PM
Kurtis did what he did for a reason. Everyone thought it would open her eyes up but it didnt. Kurtis took his anger out in a different way then others. So be it. She didnt' die , neither did the guy involved. Kurtis has his own way of thinking just like everyone else does!

Posted by: someone Location: holton on Jan 16, 2009 at 08:10 PM
Guess what... Now he shot himself before being sentenced in court today how much crap can this guy try to do... Maybe he should just not just injure himself next time

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 17, 2008 at 10:06 PM
This is very sad to say the least. I personaly know Kurtis father and step mother, they are good people. I feel pain for every person this effects. Remember it is really important not to judge others. The truth is latley alot of really sad things are going on in our world. I guess the question we all need to ask ourselves is are we the very best people we can be every day. DO WE REACH OUT AND HELP ONE ANOTHER ENOUGH? Concerned Deborah Hamm

Posted by: caring person Location: holton on Jul 17, 2008 at 10:38 PM
I talked to Shiannes mother today and she said that she is doing pretty good but is not home yet, possilby she will come home tomorrow. We are all praying for eveyone involved.

Posted by: friend on Jul 17, 2008 at 12:35 PM
yes shianne is home from the hospital now and is doing much better. she had skin graphs and has others surgerys to come. she is better tho, and thanks so much for people who understand and were praying for her.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Hoyt on Jul 13, 2008 at 05:18 PM
I'm glad to hear that you are doing better Jesse. Also Shianne you are in my thoughts as well. Get better soon girl!!

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 12, 2008 at 10:13 AM
Kids are a mess these days.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 10, 2008 at 11:00 PM
Come on Holton, put this thing behind you and get back to the partying!

Posted by: resident Location: holton on Jul 10, 2008 at 09:05 AM
no one knows but Curtis

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 9, 2008 at 06:56 PM
All friends? Why would you shot your friends?

Posted by: Friend of Victims Location: Holton on Jul 9, 2008 at 12:27 PM
It was not a love triangle they were all a bunch of friends. all the stuff on here is gossip. none of you will know the real story and its none of your business. just let it be and get on with your own lives. Shianne is still in KC going through recovery.

Posted by: Michelle Location: Holton on Jul 9, 2008 at 10:51 AM
And to clear up another piece "of gossip"-this was not a "love triangle." Jesse proved his "unselfishness" by the heroic maneuver that possibly saved Shianne's life. Thank you Jesse. Get well Shianne.

Posted by: Michelle Location: Holton on Jul 9, 2008 at 10:41 AM
Anon- Calm down. Maybe what Jesse and the others was trying to say was that this blog is full of a bunch of gossip. It is not fact. There are truths/half truths/and nontruths posted here. He, as well as most involved has been very traumatized. Of course it is the business of the police, citizens, victims, etc. But not those of the "gossipers" and those who just want to stand by the sidelines and speculate with no other reason than to just be "involved." He never implied that he didn't talk to the appropriate persons. This blog, however, is not the appropriate place to discuss the facts of the case. It does no good except to egg on more gossip. Secondly, these kids are NOT selfish, egotistical, ungrateful and mostly NOT HATEFUL. I have not had an adverse experience with any of the victims in which they displayed any of the traits that you describe in your "stupid attitude" assessment.

Posted by: a non mouse Location: topeka on Jul 9, 2008 at 10:13 AM
anon, you are obviously overcome with stupid. You think I said its ok, you think I say its nobodies business? You apparently are in the same boat as most of the posters on here, YOU CANT READ, and if you can, you just dont know how to process the information. I say you should do away with this anonymity, you cant handle it. Tom_tuttle888@yahoo.com Tom Tuttle, Topeka Kansas Who else has the fortitude to show themselves?

Posted by: anonymous Location: holton on Jul 9, 2008 at 09:35 AM
anon, who exactly are you to write such mean things. my guess is that you don't know these adults or the juvenile, their family, or anything about them or what happened. so no, it is none of your business what happened at all. the sheriff's office and the county attorney already know what was going on. everyone has spoke and they have spoke the truth. so maybe you should stay off the message bored because you sound like a moron.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 9, 2008 at 06:01 AM
so the girl is fine teenager from Holton says? So is she home from the hospital now?

Posted by: anon Location: kansas on Jul 9, 2008 at 04:13 AM
hey jesse, non mouse, when you have a party, do drugs and alcohol when you are underage, and someone gets so messed up with their perceptions and they shoot someone, it becomes everyones business, especially the police. Dont believe me? Call the sheriff's office or the county attorney's office. You all will be talking to a judge soon enough, and either you talk, or go to jail, which you probably all should do since you think you are above the law, can do what you want and "it's none of anybody's business". Maybe your parents should go to jail too, since they instilled this STUPID attitude in you, because they are RESPONSIBLE for turning such selfish, egotistical, HATEFUL, ungrateful punks into society.

Posted by: Teenager from Holton Location: Holton on Jul 9, 2008 at 01:51 AM
I think everyone needs to jus drop it...Jesse was right its none of your business and i am pretty sure everyone in Holton wants to put this behind us...the girl is doing fine and Jesse is fine....jus leave it alone there is nothing else to say!

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 8, 2008 at 10:14 PM
17 year old girl and 18 year old boy spending the night together. WOW!

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 8, 2008 at 09:56 PM
Love triangle is what caused this tradegy. How stupid. Theres another girl (or boy) around every corner.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 8, 2008 at 08:34 PM
How is the girl doing? This is so sad.

Posted by: Resident Location: Nebraska on Jul 8, 2008 at 07:40 PM
a non mouse location, Its none of your business what caused this tragety. WIBW has got better things to do, and you should to.

Posted by: a non mouse Location: anywhere you arent on Jul 8, 2008 at 06:15 PM
resident, why dont you bugger off, Jesse is an adult, and doesnt need you playing security here(if indeed it is Jesse posting here and not some anonymous clown) and everyone would like to know what causes a tragedy like this, heck, I bet WIBW would love to find out what happened as well.

Posted by: Friend of the vitcims Location: Holton on Jul 8, 2008 at 05:18 PM
Yes jesse is exactly right you guys need to stop say stuff about others. None of you know the real story and its NONE of your business.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 8, 2008 at 05:00 PM
This will all blow over and kids will get back to doing what they do best. Party! They could probably invite the parents to the next one, at least maybe some adults will be there to take accountability.

Posted by: Resident Location: Holton on Jul 8, 2008 at 03:55 PM
Curious nature, This is none of your business unless you were involved. Jesse said it well get on with your life, and leave it alone. Later

Posted by: curious nature Location: ks on Jul 8, 2008 at 03:30 PM
So Jesse...... Please do what the news wont, set this story straight, inform all the people what happened. This is apparently a big story and the masses need answers.

Posted by: Jesse Location: Holton on Jul 8, 2008 at 02:34 PM
It is no insinuation I have the hole in my arm, and neck to prove myself. I was the guy that got shot. Just get on with your own lives and leave everyone alone about it.

Posted by: Resident Location: Holton on Jul 8, 2008 at 02:29 PM
Nobody from Topeka, mind your own business. This is a very personal matter and I don't believe its any of your business. I will set you all straight. Thank You

Posted by: nobody Location: topeka on Jul 8, 2008 at 01:32 PM
Hey JESSE HAYES, if your gonna insinuate you know what happened, then by all means please do tell your story and set us all straight!

Posted by: Jesse Hayes Location: Holton on Jul 8, 2008 at 12:53 PM
I say everyone cut it out... I know first hand what happened. And none of you ever will end of story!!!!

Posted by: concerned mom Location: Hoyt on Jul 8, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Sooo Local..what exactly are you saying??quote: "Besides didnt Ramage move to holton from Royal Valley not to long ago????? Holton didnt influence him to pop a few!? His hostility and easy access to firearms did" :end quote You act so dismayed that anyone would talk bad about Holton and then make a reference to another school?!?! Isn't that doing exactly what you say should not be done? This is not a LOCATION issue. This is a PEOPLE issue. Such a tragic thing to have happen and it could happen anywhere. Thank our Lord it wasn't any worse because from what I have learned it could have been. I feel for ALL the victims. I know both of Kurtis's parent's families and I am sure that they are devastated. I would much rather have a child be shot rather than the shooter. Nothing could be harder to handle - to come to grips with. These kids and their families all learned something from this. Have a little bit of compassion for them. They all have along way to go!

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Holton on Jul 8, 2008 at 11:34 AM
If your not from around Holton then chances are you don't know as well, people talk to everybodys relatives and best friends and find out the story before the news channels do. Honestly if your not from Holton please stop putting in comments about how the schools and parents aren't doing a good job. There are probably things like this happening around where you live too, so please be mature and don't rag on this town there are people who do really stupid things everywhere, but there are just as many people if not more who do great things too.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 8, 2008 at 10:40 AM
typical small town gossip for ya! everyone thinks they know everything and some people are quick to say what should have, could have or would have been done!

Posted by: Resident Location: Holton on Jul 8, 2008 at 10:34 AM
Holton Citizen, get a grip, can't put your name up, What makes you know so much about the shooting, and how many shots were fired, and their being more shots that hit people. you need to quit lieing, Either you were their, or your a cop which one. did you also no it took the ambulance 25 minutes to get their. hello there only a few blocks from where this happened. also how many police officers went up to check on these two that were shot, to see if they were still breathing. I feel a lot of important issues are being overlooked.You need to be respectful to all of the family members. Get a life

Posted by: -Holton Citizen- on Jul 8, 2008 at 07:28 AM
Jarrod, you have NO idea what you are talking about in relation to the shooting. There were not as many shots as you say and there actually more shots that hit people than you say! Please don't go around making up untruths about something you have no idea about-Be respectful to the family bud.

Posted by: local Location: holton on Jul 8, 2008 at 02:35 AM
I'm kinda sick of seeing you people write that holton is whack and messed up. Our town and its community had nothing to do with this lame teenage love triangle. This could have happened anywhere, but that doesnt put the location to blame! Shootings aren't exactly an everyday kinda thing around here. Besides didnt Ramage move to holton from Royal Valley not to long ago????? Holton didnt influence him to pop a few!? His hostility and easy access to firearms did. oh well...so much for his future....

Posted by: Mommy of Three Location: Topeka on Jul 7, 2008 at 11:34 PM
My heart goes out to the victims in this incident. This is all around a bad thing to happen to anyone. For those of you who are attacking anyone you really don't have much of a life to turn this into something else. A child is still struggling to survive and yet people think it is okay to talk bad about what happened. It is not okay for anyone to talk bad about anyone. Kids we be kids. They will stay out late. They will skip school. They will disobey. Just remember they are your kids and you will always love them. Also I am a parent and I do believe this. I was once a child myself and I know everyone on this board was as well. I can say I was not perfect and neither were you so please stop judging when you are not perfect yourself.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 7, 2008 at 11:12 PM
so the girls parents were not even home at this time, on vacation without the teenage daughter. Parents try harder now days to be friends to the teenagers and not parents.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 7, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Holton is WACKED!

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 7, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Most crimes do happen at night. Tragedy usually strikes when there has been drinking and drugs involved. Why did this girls mother leave her home by herself to go on vacation? The first thing kids will do is throw a big party when the parents are away. Hopefully Holton high school will teach some parenting classes next year in school for the adults. Quit trying to be the "Cool Parents" by letting your kids run crazy!

Posted by: Jarrod Location: Holton on Jul 7, 2008 at 08:57 PM
You know what.... I do have guns. Hunting is probably my favorite thing in the world to do so yeah. I do. And as for beating anyone up. The people that get on here just to complain about people being out at four o'clock in the morning have no idea what it is like. I would have said the same things as you all until that morning. All i am asking from people is that if your getting on here just to put in your two cents on curfews... find something else to do with your time. And just to clear things up since it is the most common ? that i get asked. The gun was an AR-15 and yes fourteen rounds were fired fortunately only three of them hit anyone.....

Posted by: Logan Location: Topeka on Jul 7, 2008 at 08:42 PM
Curfews dont mean anything, but a citation and fine if you are caught. Get real here folks. Furthermore, it is regardless what time of the day or night this happened. THis can happen anywhere anytime. This is the result of present day life where parents are afraid of legal constraints when punishing their children. I has my ass beat, and so will my child when she is old enough and steps out of line. We are in the midst of troubled times, where children no longer fear the law, and no longer fear what the outcome of their hasty actions will bring.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 7, 2008 at 07:38 PM
What are you gonna do Jarrod beat us up for speaking our opinion? You don't scare anybody unless your packing a gun too!

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 7, 2008 at 07:24 PM
Wow Jarrod, you mean to tell me that if people don't stay out until 4:00 a.m. they don't have a life? You have alot to learn young man and hopefully you'll learn sooner than later before something happens to you. God bless you though.

Posted by: Mother of a 17yr old Location: Holton, Ks on Jul 7, 2008 at 07:14 PM
This is to someone. I have a teenager and for your info....... I do have a curfew for my child. This could of happened at anytime of the day or night... I do want to say that everyone that was involved are hurting the victims, and their family. I also want to say that Kurtis and his family are also hurting. I'm sure that it was very hard for a father to turn his child in. So lets just stop this all and pray for everyone that is involved the victims, and their family and Kurtis and his family. my heart and prayers are going out to everyone involved.........

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 7, 2008 at 06:26 PM
Oh Jarrod my boy, you have a lot to learn. You sound like the typical teenager with not a care in the world. You will see things different in a few years, we hope.

Posted by: someone on Jul 7, 2008 at 04:17 PM
Does Holton have a curfew and is it enforced. Sounds like parents need to be parents and set some rules for some kids to follow, like a curfew for example.

Posted by: Jarrod Location: Holton on Jul 7, 2008 at 03:09 PM
OK. The boy was 18, not a child yeah i understand that he lives with his mom and he needs to follow rules but christ he was having a good time. Any of you who were never out after 4 a.m. didnt have a life. Also the boy is my cousin so be glad that most of you are anonymous ;) And as for the girl. It was at her house ok so until you get your facts straight dont be poppin off at the mouth. Fire off at me all you want on here.... but you just wait until one of your kids gets shot.... i can assure you that you could not stop it. and not letting your kids go out and have fun is bad parenting.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 7, 2008 at 01:50 PM
I don't care if some of the kids were l8, 19, or 20. If they live at their parents home then they need to follow the rules. And if those parents think just because they are that old that they can't do anything about them staying out all night then they are as nutty as their kids. A tradegy that could have been avoided by kids being home and responsible parents breaking up this party. Makes me sick.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 7, 2008 at 01:40 PM
You kids are out of control in Holton. None of you have any business being out at 4:00 a.m. Especially the l6 & l7 year olds. My God parents, where are you! Your lucky more kids were not hurt. This poor girl could lose her arm, she is critical. Hey parents how about parenting, thats your job!

Posted by: Nicole Location: Topeka on Jul 7, 2008 at 12:57 PM
I just want to send a prayer out to all the victims of this incident. Its sad to hear what happened. I hope the girl pulls through ok. and glad the boy is ok to.. It took a lot of courage for that boy's father to turn him in to the police, but it was the right thing to do. As a parent that would be a very difficult thing to do.. You don't want to think your child would be capable of harming another person.

Posted by: nobody Location: topeka on Jul 7, 2008 at 12:01 PM
KENDRA and TEENAGER, you are both simple minded little kids it sounds like, I spent alot of my childhood and teen years with family and friends in Holton, swimming at the pool, cruising the square, and hanging at Prarie lake. So dont tell me I dont know anything about Holton, and Stop saying everyone is out to give Holton a bad name. I have friends and family that work for the Jackson sherrif, so I do know exactly what happened. You should leave what you think you know out of this. And thus far I have not judged anyone involved.

Posted by: eg Location: Rossville on Jul 7, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Holton is a fine town with alot of fine people in it. I have alot of good friends that live in or near Holton. It is no different from any other small town. This was a tragic incident that happened to take place in Holton. Unfortunately it could happen in any small town. It is a bigger deal in a small town than a city because everyone is so connected. There is always someone that doesn't want to follow the laws. That doesn't mean there are no laws there. That is what makes it a crime and a tragedy. This is a time where you should all be pulling together to prevent it ever happening again. Not dividing. I'm from a small town and know what that is like to have it both ways, togetherness & divided. My heart goes out to this community.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 7, 2008 at 08:21 AM
I THOUGHT JESSE WAS A GUY,

Posted by: K Location: Rural Kanas on Jul 7, 2008 at 07:49 AM
So what about the parents of the house where this took place? Why was a 17 year old girl allowed to spend the night with how many others? Drugs and alcohol? Who bought it for them? Are they being held accountable also? If everyone in this town knows this was going on, WHY didn't anyone stop it? Wait until you have a child that is killed from drugs or alcohol and see what it feels like to wake up everyday and never see them again. Keep your kids close, turn in the scum bag druggies and drunks selling to your kids, and pray for those affected by this tragedy, and watch what your kids are saying on the computer-you mights learn something

Posted by: Sid Location: topeka on Jul 7, 2008 at 06:58 AM
Teenager from Holton---THANK YOU.I hope every one involved comes out in good health. Have a good day, and I think you again.

Posted by: Teenager from Holton Location: Holton on Jul 6, 2008 at 10:18 PM
SID-What my point was that people kept thinking that they knew what was going on. They thought that the girl was cheating when she wasn't. i think you would really have to know all the people involved to really understand this. I mean i really don't think anyone knows why Kurtis did what he did. But i am sorry if i came off kinda rude i am just trying to defend my friends. I know these people and just to think what happend hits me in a way that i just can't believe this would happen...and Kendra is trying to let all of you know that she knows more about what went on than many of you on here...

Posted by: Erin King Location: Salina on Jul 6, 2008 at 10:01 PM
My advice to the families is just to stay away from these message boards. I am seeing the same thing here that I saw on Jana Mackey. Everyone wants to know more, everyone wants to be involved and all this does it hurt the families even more. After reading so many negative things on this board and many others it saddens me. I have read everything to what a horrible town Topeka is, to fighting over whether to blame parents that will probably put more blame on themselves than any anonymous person on a message board can muster up. In the Jana Mackey case people were placing blame on her a day after she was found. I am terribly sorry for this tragedy, young people needing help dealing with emotional issues and not having the tools to do so. I know I am done reading these messages until people are not allowed to cower behind the name anonymous. They are just an open forum for people to hide behind thier computer and slam other people without ever being held accountable.

Posted by: Teenager from Holton Location: Holton on Jul 6, 2008 at 10:01 PM
I am pretty sure that Kendra knows a lot more than you do...she doesn't have to be an eye witness to know what was going on...i was not an eye witness but i knew what happened by what the people that were there told me...i don't know why everyone on here is trying to make a big deal about this and sit here and think you know what happened...and judge the town and the people that were involved...i agree with Kendra you people don't know what happened...and you don't need to act like Holton is some bad place and that we don't have rules...people are always shooting other people in Topeka and you people think Holton is bad....some of you need to stop trying to get attention its not all about you...you need to grow up!

Posted by: Kendra Location: Holton on Jul 6, 2008 at 09:18 PM
I've never even tried to act like I'm an expert. I'm not acting like this situation revolves around me in any way. My comments never once say that. All I've said is that nobody knows what went on, so don't act like it. Maybe you guys should take your own advice. You don't know anything about the pain my family has felt, so don't get on here and judge me because I put my opinion out there. That's what the comments are for.

Posted by: nobody Location: topeka on Jul 6, 2008 at 09:14 PM
Anyways KENDRA, you are making this out to be ALL ABOUT YOU, get a grip. You arent involved, you werent there, you dont work for the HPD or Jackson county Sher

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 6, 2008 at 07:55 PM
Kendra, stay off the message board until you know what happened. You were not an eye witness even though you think your an expert on the case.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 6, 2008 at 07:51 PM
Kendra, you sound like a goof ball. This situation does not revolve around you because you "got the call at 4:00 in the morning". I doubt that you even know what went on. There are only 3 people that really know what happened and you are not one of them. Quit making this tragedy about you. Nobody cares what you think you know or don't know.

Posted by: DEBBIE Location: SEATTLE on Jul 6, 2008 at 05:13 PM
As one of 20 second & third cousins of Kurtis in Seattle I must say that this tragedy has effected many people very deeply. I thank God that there have been no fatalities and I pray Kurtis will encounter the help he needs to come through this. We here are praying for the families of the victoms as well that God will embrace them with his loving arms and comfort them through this as well. Our prayers do not end there as we read the community's responses we pray that you all have peace and forgiveness in your hearts.

Posted by: Kendra Location: Holton on Jul 6, 2008 at 04:54 PM
NOBODY, I did not say that people were trying to say it was okay. I said that people are trying to act like they know what happened. I am not acting like I'm on some platform so I would suggest that maybe you grow up.

Posted by: Teenager From Wetmore Location: Wetmore on Jul 6, 2008 at 04:29 PM
All in all it was a tradegy. But anyone having a gun just lieing around in their house should also be told a thing or two. I know that girl pretty well.I doubt she deserved to get shot but that's not a reason to pitty anyone.Everyone should be questioned.

Posted by: anonymous Location: holton on Jul 6, 2008 at 04:16 PM
logan is correct on alot of that,and he probably has good resources, and the media does leave stuff out sometimes, like the drugs and alchohol involved, and you can not do whatever in holton or the county the law enforcement is very good there and they do an outstanding job.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 6, 2008 at 01:35 PM
Punk kid, enjoy JAIL AS A MAN!!!

Posted by: nobody Location: topeka on Jul 6, 2008 at 01:31 PM
KENDRA, no one stated this shooting was ok, grow up, just because you jnow someone involved doesnt elevate you on some platform!

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 6, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Nobody is blaming his parents, but whatever happened to fighting with your hands instead of pulling out a gun? And why were the girls parents letting her be outside at 4:00 in the morning? She was only 17. I think alot of kids are whacked these days and so spoiled they can't handle the word "No" anymore. They are use to getting what they want. Makes Holton look bad. And so what if she wanted to go out with another boy. Thats what teenagers do, date one today and a different one tomorrow. Get Real! No excuse of any kind for what this young man did, none!

Posted by: Kendra Location: Holton on Jul 6, 2008 at 11:20 AM
I am really sick of people thinking that they know what went on. Because the bottom line is, you don't. Jesse is my cousin. I've heard the story, I was at her house at 4 in the morning after we got the call about what happened. You people DO NOT know what went on so don't try to act like you do. Shooting someone is NOT okay, no matter what. And it never will be, bottom line.

Posted by: Sid Location: topeka on Jul 6, 2008 at 11:04 AM
Teenager from Holton---What story is there to tell. He tried to murder two people. Looks like that is pretty much cut and dried don't ya think? Enjoy your new life in prison.

Posted by: Parent/Community member Location: Holton on Jul 6, 2008 at 04:10 AM
I have listened to this story and read these comments for the last two days. This is an extremely tragic situation for all. I live in Holton and know all three of these young people and am saddened by the situation. I feel deeply for the families of all involved. I really don't appreciate the person from Holton who made the comment of there being no rules or laws to follow in the town. I have lived as a part of this community for over 19 yrs and worked here for at least 9, that was a cheap nasty shot. I agree there should be stiffer rules/laws for some items here, but I wouldn't live anywhere else. I have two high school students of my own and they know what is expected of them. This is an incident that has changed many lives and I am praying for all involved. Just try to look at it from all the parents points of view and see just how tragic this really is. Our small community will be feeling this for a very long time.

Posted by: logan Location: topeka on Jul 6, 2008 at 02:11 AM
Anonimity emnpowers those who would be too afraid to speak any other time....so ANONYMOUS, and any other simple minded individuals who say "we" must be stupid and not know whats going on here. Do some homework and stay up on this story, it is in fact public record once the investigation is done. You just may see once you shut your mouth and open your eyes that I am in fact 100% correct, and what I have stated to be 100% FACT. Too bad you wont be able to apologize, eh? Knowledge is power, and WIBW.com doesnt always tell the whole story. Its that simple!

Posted by: friend Location: holton on Jul 6, 2008 at 12:15 AM
This has happened and cannot be reversed. i do not see how you people can blame the family's as in the moms and dads side of them that its there fault it isnt. at the age of 18 he is on his own he didnt live with either of his parents. so it can't be there fault it is just his. let the court take care of it... im tired of people blaming the family and friends for what they didnt do. they probably couldnt stop it because they didn't see any of this comming. some of you might hate him for doing this and you have the right to. but he is being punished for it. dont hate the family.

Posted by: Kathy on Jul 5, 2008 at 11:59 PM
The Girl that he shot is sitting in the hospital with a bullet hole in her arm that i could put my fist through...He shot my cousin and i hope he rots in jail...does he realize that he could have killde my cousin if he aimed an inch higher? I might be 13 but i know what happened and just so everybody that reads this knows...my 17 year old cousin has a broken bone and another one that is shattered...So that pretty boy better make lots of friends in jail....oh yeah and logan and new kid on the block...SHUT THE HELL UP!

Posted by: Mother of a 17yr old Location: Holton, Ks on Jul 5, 2008 at 11:47 PM
It's a shame that the 18 yr old shooter just wasted his life for something stupid. My heart goes out to the victims and their family's.

Posted by: Teenager from Holton Location: Holton on Jul 5, 2008 at 11:33 PM
I think most of the people that posted a comment on here have no idea what they are talking about...i am sure that none of you knew what happened or even knew what was going on between them...you shouldn't blame the parents for not knowing what their "kids" were doing. Kurtis was not a kid he is 18. I knew them all pretty well i hung out with them and went to school with them. This was all a pretty big shock to me when i got a call at 4 in the morning...thank you to the people that are praying for my friend i really hope she is going to be ok...i just think you people shouldn't judge Holton. i grew up in Topeka and i heard about people getting shot all the time...so don't judge holton and don't start judging my friends until you know the whole story...

Posted by: Her sister! Location: Holton on Jul 5, 2008 at 11:22 PM
Hey to new kid on the block..for one my sister was not cheating on him..Kurtis was just jealous thinking that Jesse and her were going to get back together..get your story right!!! shes sitting in the hospital with giant holes in her arm!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 5, 2008 at 08:08 PM
Enjoy JAIL scumbag kid

Posted by: holtonhuy Location: holton on Jul 5, 2008 at 06:24 PM
sounds like logan is pretty close on the story, from what I know that is pretty close to what actually happened. I have a really good solid source also, so I can say that he is almost right on

Posted by: concerned mom Location: Hoyt on Jul 5, 2008 at 05:41 PM
Anyone who thinks that they can control their 18 year old's every movement is fooling themselves!! If you haven't found out some of the crazy things your own teen has done - someday you will and I hope you are prepared! And Logan what the heck are you talking about? where do you get "stole his father's A-15 then went home and tried to kill himself"-- what news account are YOU reading? and "hold his father liable for the guns"? How do you know it was his father's?? Maybe the gun belonged to the young man himself! Gun Safe?!?! We are not talking about a 4 year old here! Geez! For heaven's sake - There but for the grace of god go I..... no one's family is immune to something like this Prayers to all involved. This kid has a father who obviously cares for him and probably has a mother and grandparents who are grieving over this unfortunate thing that has happened.

Posted by: unknown Location: Holton on Jul 5, 2008 at 05:33 PM
Sounds like no one in the town has rules or laws to follow. Very sad!

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 5, 2008 at 03:50 PM
I know one of the victims of the shooting..they are my family and i hope Kurtis knows that he could have killed everybody at that house so i hope that bastard makes lots of "friends" in jail!

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 5, 2008 at 03:11 PM
To Logan...How'd you know what type of gun it was? I think if anyone here is stupid, it's you. You don't know the story, So don't act like you do. You know, don't even assume you know the story, because you're not even close.

Posted by: Darci Location: Holton, Ks on Jul 5, 2008 at 02:41 PM
I'm her sister and Kurtis can go to hell! He almost killed her!

Posted by: alex Location: independance on Jul 5, 2008 at 02:20 PM
to best freind he shouildnt be able to do wat he wants cause is is a phyco and they werent out at 4 in the morning

Posted by: new kid on the block Location: Holton on Jul 5, 2008 at 12:30 PM
i dont think you should blame his dad.... he was old enough to realize what he was doing.... i went to school with all them so called kids... 18 your not a kid anymore.... plus from what i hear the girl was cheatin on him with the other dude their.... don't hate the player hate the game..... but whats up with the class of 2008? all them kids seem crazy....

Posted by: anonymous Location: holton on Jul 5, 2008 at 11:32 AM
He made a bad choice and is being punished for what he did. thats him how do you think the family can be in public with people knowing what there son did. dont blame the parents or the family they didnt do it. if you are going to blame anyone blame him. he deserves what he gets. END OF STORY

Posted by: HHS Grad Location: Holton on Jul 5, 2008 at 08:51 AM
On the note mentioned about Kurtis's family, they are wonderful people and never would have let this go so far or happen had they known. Holton is a town of country boys(and girls) who drink,cruise the county roads and hunt, he had access to a gun like most teens around here due to hunting season. He deserves full punishment for his senseless act and I pray God will have mercy for his selfishness.

Posted by: Kendra Location: Holton on Jul 5, 2008 at 08:11 AM
The best friend wasn't talking about Kurtis. He was talking about Jesse, and how he is 18 and if he wants to be out until 4:00 in the morning he can and there is nothing his mom can do about it. And technically he wasn't out until 4:00 am, they were staying the night at that house.

Posted by: Corey Location: Topeka on Jul 5, 2008 at 02:09 AM
Well at 18, he is going to find out what it's like to "do whatever he wants"

Posted by: g Location: jackson on Jul 4, 2008 at 11:54 PM
im reading through these comments and thinking good god. seems to me some of you will say anything just to be noticed. i know all the kids involved, and parents. this is all very sad for both sides. my heart and prayers go out to all of them.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 4, 2008 at 10:51 PM
He's 18 he can do whatever he wants? Your right he can spend some years in prison for doing whatever he wants. Grow up and get a brain. Nobody can do whatever they want and that includes you.

Posted by: HHS '08 Grad. Location: Holton on Jul 4, 2008 at 10:46 PM
I graduated with the 2 boys involved and I feel really sorry for them both and The girl. My heart goes out to the families of all of them.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 4, 2008 at 10:39 PM
To best friend, he can't do whatever he wants, there are laws against shooting people, idiot!

Posted by: holton resident with teenage daughter Location: holton on Jul 4, 2008 at 07:04 PM
Instead of judging and telling you all what is right and wrong I would like to say my thoughts and prayers are with all involved!

Posted by: Local Location: Holton on Jul 4, 2008 at 05:43 PM
I can't blame the parents. It's very easy to sneak out that early in the morning, or say you're spending the night at a friend's house (especially since it was the 4th of July), or any number of perfectly legitimate reasons. I doubt he woke his parents up and said, "I'm going to go shoot somebody, see you in the morning." Also, there is an article on the 27 News site that says the shooter is 18, and that his dad turned him in. And as "best friend" said, he is 18. While he may not be able to do whatever he wants, given constitutional rights, the responsibility for his actions are solely his own.

Posted by: logan Location: topeka on Jul 4, 2008 at 05:22 PM
just some love crazed teenager who was upset his ex found a new boyfriend. stole his dads AR15, and went and shot them. then went home and tried to kill himself. this is what happens when stupid people are allowed access to firearms, unfortunately I believe his father should be held somewhat liable for the guns being accessable. Mine are in the safe, where no one can get them.

Posted by: BETTY on Jul 4, 2008 at 04:23 PM
Parents, where are you? Don't you care at all about your kids? You should know where your kids, and i mean kids, are at this time of morning. Maybe you are the ones that need to be punished also

Posted by: concerned mother on Jul 4, 2008 at 03:44 PM
"he is 18 he can do whatever he wants"... the article didn't state he was 18 so that leaves me to believe you know the suspect and for you to say "he can do whatever he wants" is concerning... he can EVEN SHOOT PEOPLE??? If he is 18 he should be acting like an adult!

Posted by: best friend on Jul 4, 2008 at 01:58 PM
he is 18 he can do what ever he wants

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 4, 2008 at 11:43 AM
What the heck are teens doing out at 4:00 in the morning? Unbelievable!