Hawker Beechcraft, Machinists Reach Tentative Deal
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Hawker Beechcraft and the machinists union reached a tentative deal on a new contract late Sunday night.

Machinists' spokesman Bob Wood said this contract is a significant improvement on the last offer, which was voted down by the union.

He said the new offer freezes vision and dental health care coverage, meaning the 4% annual raise in wages won't be eaten up by health care premiums. The company also made improvements to pensions and overtime provisions.

Pension benefits will increase by $7 per month per year of service, all front-loaded and available January 1, 2009. Additionally, HBC withdrew proposals that would have decreased earned time off for new hires and would have downgraded two job codes.

Wood praised federal mediators for helping broker the deal after three tough days of negotiations.

The negotiating team worked through the weekend with a federal mediator to reach this proposal.

A vote on the proposed contract will take place Thursday at the Kansas Coliseum. Doors open at 9 a.m, with the vote at 10 a.m. Voting will continue until 2 p.m.

If the new contract is approved, the strike will end immediately and workers will return to work next Tuesday. If they do return to work Tuesday, they will also be paid for Monday's Labor Day Holiday.

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Posted by: krazyaboutmyvacation Location: ElDorado on Sep 4, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Well, it was a very nice vacation, and I personally want to thank all of my fellow brother's n sister's for standing strong "Strength To Strike", as I have made so very many friend's and appreciate their support, as it "was worth it", "WE Stand Proud"
Posted by: Dave Location: Wichita on Sep 4, 2008 at 01:00 AM
The 'guy with a paycheck' would also trade his mom for money too. Listen beanie brain, If it was ONLY about the money with this contract, we would just as well showed up for work and not even bother striking. p.s. Great to be back by the ways! Good job to everyone on the picket line!
Posted by: guy with a paycheck on Aug 29, 2008 at 05:19 AM
Hey guys way to go on getting the same contract! 1 dollar on your pebsion plan? Woooow!! If your really needing that extra 30-40 dollars a month then maybe you should have planned your retirement a wee bit better! Oh and do you realize the company has to pay 80 percent of the insurance premiums? Why would they want it to go sky high? You guys would have been better off just asking for a sign on bonus cuz we all know its always about the money! p.s. thanks for not being at work i actually didnt mind being there. i made $4000 what did you make? $300?
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 07:52 PM
Dear Kake since you read all of this crap before it is put up on the screen it would be great if you took it all down now. There are enough problems without people being able to write all this crap up here. I am not sure what could it has done. It is just a bunch of crap. There are enough problems in the world not to worry about all of the mean things that are being said on your web sight. For weeks now I have read all of the put downs and they are sad. The strike is over it is all over so please before things get worse take all of this crap off the web. Do not give these people anyother way to fight when people can not stand up for themselves. Wait till it gets back inside the work walls and nobody has the balls to say anything. And if EVERYBODY was smart they would act like adults take car of there familys and GET OVER IT! Enough is enough.
Posted by: Usocrazy on Aug 28, 2008 at 03:54 PM
To Gambler - I wouldn't want to take you to vegas with me.
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 03:41 PM
KS law states overtime at 46 hours. However, Federal law (FLSA) states that time "worked" in excess of 40 hours in a week will be paid at OT rates. Whichever law is more benefical to the employee will rule. In this case it is obviously the Federal law of 40 hours. Understand that "time worked" does not include ETO, Holiday, etc. That is time "given" not worked.
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 03:28 PM
Yes, most companies do pay OT after 40 hours. What is VERY rare, however is the company that will pay OT for over 8 hours worked in a day. If you work 4 tens in a week, you don't get any OT pay, even though all 4 days were over 8 hours. I work for a company that paid that way until about 7 years ago. The employees have still not forgiven the company for "taking money away from them". And I think it is great that you all are standing up for what you believe. But when it is all over, you all do still have to work together as professionals. The outright hostility from both sides can only cause more problems. It would be a shame to go back to work, and have a bunch of people get fired for harassment.
Posted by: anon on Aug 28, 2008 at 02:24 PM
Stephanie -- Any company that falls under the Fair Labor Standards Act (which almost all do -- they only have to be participating in interstate commerce) has to pay time and a half after forty hours in a workweek. Employers do not have to pay overtime after 8, 10, or 12 hours in a day (they only have to count the week - not each day), unless they agree to that in a collective bargaining or other agreement. You are correct in noting that the HBC offer does go above and beyond what is required by either state or federal law regarding overtime work.
Posted by: gambler on Aug 28, 2008 at 02:01 PM
20 bucks says the silly strikers will vote no and continue their un-paid vacation!!
Posted by: Stephanie on Aug 28, 2008 at 01:23 PM
Name me one company thats worth a d*mn that doesn't pay overtime after 40 hrs. The company is stating that over time is going to stay the same as it always has been. I'm correcting the couple of people here that think they have to work 40hrs BEFORE they get overtime. The union isn't around to cure all or do all. They are around to help unite the workers...sadly I believe the IAM is in it for their own pockets. I don't believe they are looking out for us. Thats why I encourage EVERYONE INVOLVED to READ the contract before they make up THEIR OWN MINDS. They don't care and the company sure as hell doesn't care, so it's up to US, as individuals, to think for ourselves.
Posted by: union worker Location: ict on Aug 28, 2008 at 12:50 PM
this is to hb wife...you and your husband dont have to carry the ins... go and try it ... beter yet go to hunter health clinic..it is free down there.... this is to stephanie..a company doesnt even have to pay you ovetime til you have worked 46 hours..that is according to the ks labor dept... after hearing a new hire chirping last night about the attendence policy..i feel like the newbies are wearing the IAM rose colored glasses....they are safety approved the union cant cure it all..or do it all.. some things in life your jus not gonna like and unless you own your own business you have to deal with it!!
Posted by: Stephanie on Aug 28, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Can someone help me out? Apparently I've been reading the wrong contract! I read where it stated... On page 3...Time worked in excess of the designated shift hours as set forth in Article 3 during any 24-hour period, and time worked in excess of a total of 40 hours during a workweek, shall be construed as overtime and paid for at the rates herein provided. Uh...that means anything after your normal shift, whether that's 8,10 or 12, you get your time and a half. I don't agree in full with this contract and I hope it's rejected, but COME ON PEOPLE! READ BEFORE YOU START COMPLAINING!
Posted by: Steve Location: Salina on Aug 28, 2008 at 12:28 PM
To union member it doesn't matter how hard we work in Salina our managers in most of the buildings don't like giving merit raises even though we deserve it. I stood out because I felt we could have received better and we have gotten better. I am ready to go back to work and start playing with the scabs......
Posted by: !!! on Aug 28, 2008 at 12:22 PM
well I guess I know elvis's mentality now. the dozens is an oooooollllllld game. To Union Member, some of those line crossers were already a major POS ... I do know some that crossed, that I feel were extenuating circumstances, those I have no problem with, although I know that some do/will have a problem with them. I know who crossed in my dept. and I know why. Some were just greedy, and have no backbone.
Posted by: Union Member on Aug 28, 2008 at 10:54 AM
I have honored the strike, but I didn't agree with all of it. But I had respect for my union brothers. This strike is hard for everyone. i didn't walk the picket line, because I was happy with what I had. AGAIN I DID NOT CROSS THE LINE! I HAD RESPECT FOR THOSE WHO WERE WALKING THE LINE AND WANTED BETTER. What I have is better than I ever had so I was content. But I am respectful to everyone and I will not cause any problems with anyone when we will return to work. The people that are slamming my brothers. i do not care for you. I don't hate you, but I don't care for you. Same to the some of the union members who are being hateful for the wrong reasons. But i respect the work place and I will help a coworker even if he is a scab, because its the right thing. So members might dislike that, but sorry. I'm not risking my job. The harder you work, someone will notice trust me and you will be rewarded. I have seen it happen and it happen to me to.
Posted by: HB wife Location: sedgwick on Aug 28, 2008 at 09:57 AM
A good contract would have lower medical costs especially in the prescription area. I have one prescription that costs $24.00 so what does the insurance company pay? $4.00. I want more retirement pay and time and a half after 8 hours. To top it off a sign on bonus even if it was just 100.
Posted by: Tupac Location: . on Aug 28, 2008 at 09:23 AM
i want a blackberry and ipod ...gimme gimme gimme
Posted by: union worker Location: ict on Aug 28, 2008 at 09:17 AM
guys....the ones that say this contract stinks...what to you would be a good contract??? i mena i hear moaning and groaning but i have yet to hear anyone say anything that is reasonible... i men for the 4000 line doesnt everyone want a black berry or an ipod... i mean i hear..cessna got a signing bonus...well go to work there..they are hiring..i think you will find they wont put up with your bull there like the do at hbc...
Posted by: Rally Location: wichita on Aug 28, 2008 at 09:00 AM
SCAB4Life ... wanna grab a beer and a burrito??? love ya!
Posted by: Cyndi Lauper Location: Mexico on Aug 28, 2008 at 08:59 AM
Union Members are like lemmings!! I would've stood up and fought for conditions in plant 1 if i was union; Show me where and when the old timers even give a rats arse about new hires? they don't. they don't want to help anyone. Who was the one asleep in the plane when Mr. Nguyen was walking through the plant (a union member? probably)
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 08:59 AM
ok ok...so basically it is the same contract that they were under before but with a raise and a little more pension? The ETO is the same, the work week got changed but not really for the better???? Ok am I reading this right?? So you guys lost about 4000 bucks and one human life and all you got was the same contract of 3 years ago with a raise and very little changes in your benefits? Who is leading you?? Does Steve Rooney and those guys and gals sit on the line with you? Do they call this a victory? You say its so the company sees if they takeaway you will stand together but you just showed them that they don't have to give on much and you will vote in crap for crap!! WOW I am disappointed in the union, well the ones taking your dues and leading you into BS! I also saw the bags of groceries at a family members house, after all you put in your only worth 2 bags of junk from Dillons? That will not feed a family! WOW
Posted by: Elvis Location: here on Aug 28, 2008 at 08:51 AM
To !!! I'm smarter than your momma
Posted by: Retired Aircraft on Aug 28, 2008 at 08:47 AM
You can't expect to get a very good contract with a bunch of weak minded people crossing the picket line. I congratulate the strikers for sticking it out and making improvements. Worthless scabs would still complain even if you got them a bonus, so pay them no mind.
Posted by: Upset Location: Wichita on Aug 28, 2008 at 08:29 AM
I am tired of people using the phrase SCAB. Union members you have no clue why some of the people croseed the picket lines. I am not saying that the non union member were all angels in this. Some of them probably yelled names and comments back, but not all of them did. And the union members that have posted on here and on the Kansas.com website about how all the SCABS are going to have to deal with upset union members when the strike is over need to remember one thing. It goes both ways. Some of you have done nothing but call them names, take their pictures, and post them on a 'Wall of Shame'. There will also be anger towards the Union members when you return to work. So remember you reap what you sow.
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 07:21 AM
You know what is really funny you union people. You guys haven't said one thing about all the jobs that are going to Mexico. I would think that would be a little bit more important than insurance or ETO. Wait until you come back and see all the jobs that are leaving and the ones that have already left while you have been out. Way to go Union you guys are in for a big suprise when you see all thats leaving.
Posted by: bob Location: valley center on Aug 28, 2008 at 01:38 AM
Scab4life, ur cheap, can't afford $40.00 a month to be a real person with feeling's and fight for what we beleive in!
Posted by: krazyaboutmyvacation Location: ElDorado on Aug 28, 2008 at 01:36 AM
LoyalHBCworker, so 90% it not enuf 4 u, , HBCLovan the pool is nice with the sun a shining, ya got a tan in ur a/c office,ExUnion-scab, anonymous 642pm n 631pm, n 459, I'm confused about u, n unionworker, my name is Larry, not Hawker, n I can get a job anywhere in the world, not just the USofA, so mellow out it's just our right to do what we want, tis still "AMERICA", n that's the only thing that gave you the right to work for an American company, that has a "Strong Union" as you will make the same $ as us, but with memorie's of us working for YOU!
Posted by: fred on Aug 28, 2008 at 12:50 AM
anon, the point is that X has nothing to do with it, an accident,in Wichita happen's alot
Posted by: Lifer on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:49 PM
Thank you-Anonymous-Aug 27,at 06:31PM. Finally someone who has been paying attention to this whole mess. I am sure that you're are going to be bashed by die hards that veiw anyone trying to open their eyes as evil, unamericans scrabs. It is so sad to see that one of the last hopes for the Honest Hardworking average Joe, is no longer there. As hard as it is for Union members of todays Union to believe, trying to get them to look at their leadership,is not bashing the Union. This Union has definately lost it direction, & forgotten it's purpose. Yes I am bashing the Union Leadership, not the membership. You are the victims in all of this. As hard as it for most to face, you are truly the losers in this whole thing. You can come back to work & release all of that anger on those who crossed the line, but they are not responsible for what you end up with for a contract. Instead all that anger needs to be about replacing Union Leadership & rebuilding, focused onwhat a Union was meant to be.
Posted by: hardworker Location: wichita on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Anonymous: the only reason you want us to reject the ofer is because you never had the bals to strike yourself. I would bet the majority, oh there are a few disgruntled members, of those complaining about the lack of a bonus are those inside who crossed. Also known as "Freeloaders" They refuse to pay their share of the Union Dues, but when they get into a fix they cry for the Union steward. I know of several non-union workers who stayed out, Kudos to them, the rest of you freeloders, kiss my ^%$##!
Posted by: brian Location: mulvane on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:43 PM
this contract stinks what did we strike for,are the union reps getting kickbacks its basicly the same contact we had before what did we gain
Posted by: SCAB4LIFE Location: lovinglife'smama'shouse on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Loving life - Sticks and stones...sticks and stones
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:48 PM
If the Union had membership (the ones that are still outside the fence and can vote) had a hair on their...well you know...they would vote this one down too and really get back to what Unions were 30 years ago. Fight for the conditions in Plant I, fight for a signing bonus to make up for the approximatly three ger they lost, fight for the middle aged, not those who are yet to come and those almost out the door. Vote it downand do it right this time, no more name calling, no more childish games, no more asinine rallies at 4:30am. Don't they the union leadership lead you around by the...well you know, judge for yourself, do it for your families, friends, and fellow Union Brothers and Sisters...
Posted by: Santa Location: North Pole on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:25 PM
I hope all on the outside has been on there best behavior. They made a list of who has been naughty and nice and they checked the list not once but twice. If your on the naughty list, you better head west my friend to the company that had the contract that you seeked as this whole mess began.
Posted by: 88 Location: Salina on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:02 PM
To "Hardworker", Hooked on Phonics worked for me. I C Yur havn a hrd tym wit it. Duh!!
Posted by: Ex Union Location: Wichita on Aug 27, 2008 at 07:11 PM
Hey all you Union members, I just wanted to say thank you, for "fighting" for a better contract. In making sure you got a good deal for all you old times and the future hires, you forgot about me and everyone else with less than a year, you cost me 2 days off this year and 8 over the four after that. So much for solidarity, thanks alo0t
Posted by: Union Person on Aug 27, 2008 at 07:05 PM
How kan the contrak be worse. The union told me it wusnt. the Union nevr lies to me. The say i um smart, as long as i pay my dues.Thank you union fer thinkng fer me.One day longer!!!!We gained $1 on pension and froze surance premiyums ya im broke ya!!!
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:42 PM
My fault, you did lose a couple things. You get to work 10 and 12 hour shifts instead of 8. and not get payed OT for the extra 2 to 4 hours. With one day off a week, which may or may not be a weekend day. (day of the week for day off not specified in the contract). Oh you lost on vacation too. First offer 4 weeks after 190 months consecutive work (2 months less than 16 years), new contract offer, 4 weeks after 18 years. I have seen some posts showing that some of the union membership has read the contract and understood those losses. Some even realize it is the Same contract as the last 3 years, but not many. A good Union Negotiator would have seen through this scam weeks ago. I wish you luck in 3 years, my advice, get better negotiators.
Posted by: PO'd on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:42 PM
Well, looks like the strike will be over soon, union threw in the towel on this one. Gonna miss the comments.
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:31 PM
I have read this stuff for nearly a month now and I have tried to stay out but I feel sorry for the Union. You got played by the company! I was a company negotiator for a Union shop in Texas in a passed life. The company waits and watches, then offers a bunch of Takeaways, as you call them. The union fights, sometimes strikes, and gets the takeaways back in. You have the SAME ETO, the SAME insurance, the SAME OT rules. You have the SAME contract. You gained nothing, and you lost nothing (except 4 weeks pay). The company was HAPPY with the last contract, so I hope you liked it, cuz it is the same one you had the last 3 years. The union wanted a strike, they got one, the company wanted to raise hate and discontent among the union with line crossers, they got it. Unions used to be strong, in my day it was a challenge to fool them. HBC did not even have to work hard at it. Congrats on a spectacular debacle that cost one life. A rally at 4:30am? Why not 4~5pm w/news crews?
Posted by: NICE Location: Wichita on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:12 PM
It seems all the scabs are posting things like they are scared about us real workers returning to work.We will not use violence or say things to you, it will be just the opposite we will not say anything to you and if you ask us for help you will not get a response..........You not only crossed the line but you keep typing things that are not true, I am worried about you at work because I don't like being around people I can't trust, and you can't trust scabs......Keep saying your not in the union because you are a good worker, but I know from experience that you scabs come to the union for help when you get fired or your job is in jeopardy.Worthless scabs doing what you do best running your mouths and not working....
Posted by: union Location: wichita on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:03 PM
I never said anything about attacking a scab. The best way to deal with one is not even respond when they need help that will really bother them. I won't use violence nor will anyone else. But we won't help you scabs out either so stop freaking out thinking we are going to harm you because we don't sink as low as you scabs..The scabs in my area sleep on the job and don't take their job serious, so we all know who the real workers are....So run and tell your manager that you have been harassed and see what he does...lol You are running scared for no reason this strike just showed your true colors.
Posted by: hardworker Location: wichita on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:03 PM
To "88* Did you just crawl of the woodwork , wher have you been the last 24 days! The reason we fought for the new hires ETO is that in 3 years they would have gone for the senior workers 10 days, andin the next contract they would have tried to eliminate it all together! That is how the system works, you build on each contract ot improve life for the future, not go back to the past!
Posted by: 5774 on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:44 PM
Way to go Dave, couldn't have said it better myself! Of what I have read in a short time, I bet that these people wouldn't say all this to each others face, instead in a stupid blog.
Posted by: !!! on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:26 PM
to elvis ... are you smarter than a 3rd grader?
Posted by: 88 Location: Salina on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:08 PM
Does anyone realize it cost you over $4000 in 1 month to save $2000 on insurance over 3 years? And the new hires, they could have had 5 days ETO right off the bat instead of 3, now it will take 3 years before they get 5. You could have fought for the 10 days of ETO on next contract. But the UNION is claiming "Victory!".......WHATTHE@&*$EVER!! Who's runnin' this UNION thing anyway??? No wonder I got out.
Posted by: Loving Life Location: Salina on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:05 PM
To Scab4Life- You need to get a Life instead of hanging out at the computer all day giving STUPID, IDIOTIC coments!!!!!
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:01 PM
Wanna know one reason why non-union scabs aren't afraid to stand up for ourselves? We're not in the union because we know we're good workers who don't need to depend on a union to keep our jobs. We go to work and work hard at our job, so we don't have to worry about asking the union to help keep us from getting fired. If you need a union to keep you from getting fired, you should take a look at how you well you work.
Posted by: Dave Location: wichita on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:59 PM
Okay.. I am done trying to defend my position over some stupid blog on the internet. It is useless. In the old days, people settled matters FACE TO FACE. This is a weak way to channel your angers and frustrations. The best outlet is to go out there, make a REAL stand and hopefully MAKE A DIFFERENCE while you're at it. Peace. Godspeed to all.
Posted by: Also to Proud Scab on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:53 PM
I agree! I don't care a bit what angry union members think or say. And just so you know, management will NOT put up with harassment. They've been getting extra training on dealing with returning strikers, and they won't tolerate strikers harassing people.
Posted by: !!! on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:47 PM
To union worker, I am not threatening anyone, but that doesn't mean I have to talk to a line crosser or even acknowledge their presence if they walk up and say something to me.
Posted by: Elvis Location: Wichita on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:40 PM
To !!! ... are you smarter than a 5th grader?
Posted by: Blood and Sweat on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:39 PM
I personaly walk the picket line becouse of how I felt about the contract. I was there to show the company. I have no disrespect for anyone who crossed the line to go to work.You did what you felt was right for you. And I wont have a problem working with you when we come back. The bottom line is we work at HBC to build the best airplanes not to have wars with one another. I respect what you did just respect what I did. After all I was on strike against the company not my coworkers
Posted by: Jay-Z Location: South Side 217-BABY! on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:39 PM
I really be disturbed wiff all da anger da union peeps iz putting forth. People who cross da line choose ta do so, cuz dey wants ta werk. People gots families, drug habits, an' pets ta take care o'. otay buh-weet
Posted by: Dolly Parton on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:32 PM
Proud Scab - The twins and I would be more than willing to help you and any other scab that crossed. LOVE YOU SCABS!
Posted by: !!! on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:26 PM
To Proud Scab .... just remember that you don't care what we say or think, ESPECIALLY when you have to come to one of us for help or information.
Posted by: union worker Location: ict on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:26 PM
i am tired of the threatens to you all are calling scabs...i think you are misusing the term...scab is someone who didnt have a job so they came in and worked ..this didnt happen these were people that already had jobs and chose not to honor the strike ..in a right to work state... as for me...like i said once and ill state it again..everyone had their reason to cross.....if you were my frined before the strike ...we are still friends....but this is a warning to everyone..... i would advise the strikers to behave a lil when you get back in..the strike is over...you already held the comapny up a month. so i would tread lightly about threatening anyone ....and the last time i drove by and last night when i walked the picket line...i believe the sign out front sez hawker beechcraft and not IAM...so i take it that once you go back in..your in the house of hawker beech craft....it may be the house that IAM built but hawker owns the house..!!
Posted by: We Love Scabs Location: Wichita on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:23 PM
Hey Strikers ... no one likes a victim!!!
Posted by: LOYAL HBC WORKER on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:15 PM
We know who you union workers are TOO . We're not afraid of you coming back!! We're gonna miss the nice working environment. It sure SMELLS a lot better in here because there's a lot less B.S. going on!! Come on back! We'll just kick the fans on high!
Posted by: Disappointed on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:11 PM
one thing this strke has exceeded in doing is bringing out the true colors of whats inside the people who work out here. how sad!
Posted by: Scab on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:06 PM
Thats ok, we know who you are and the BS you stand for, and we wont forget either!! The door swings both ways...or do you not live by that rule?? Only for you not for anyone else?? The strikers are just telling their story and making it fit to make them look like they had victory!
Posted by: HBC LOvah on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:06 PM
We have connections to get our A/C fixed. don't worry about us ... :) just keep laying around being on a non-paid vacation
Posted by: Fancy Cat Location: Wicccccccccccchita on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:04 PM
make idle dreats, ya' union no baaaaders. duzn't gots yo' clunker keybo'd scribble checks yo' a** kin't cash. Lop some boogie. seriously, do ya' dink ya' kin dig away wid bein' hateful and dreatenin' sucka's when ya' dig back?
Posted by: HBC Lover on Aug 27, 2008 at 03:44 PM
My a/c works great! Thanks for caring. :) Is your name wannabea/c because you wish you were in here with me? lol
Posted by: Union on Aug 27, 2008 at 03:37 PM
We know who you are and we won't forget.
Posted by: to proud scab on Aug 27, 2008 at 03:33 PM
Right on!! That is exactly what my husband says! He doesnt give a flying you know what, what the union and those guys think of him!! WTG! I like your post!!
Posted by: Pro Union on Aug 27, 2008 at 03:29 PM
I understand the people who had to go in because of medical. I have no beef with them. It's the freeloaders who benefit from our sacrifices that sickens me. As I said, we'll be back and there's alot of us.
Posted by: posting on Aug 27, 2008 at 03:09 PM
why are there no postings being posted but the number keeps climbing??????
Posted by: wannabea/c Location: alaska on Aug 27, 2008 at 03:07 PM
HBCLover, sure hope that your ac work's good, would hate for you to have to take your sweater off,brrrrrrrrrrrr, because maintenasnce is cuttin you off!
Posted by: Proud Scab Location: HBC on Aug 27, 2008 at 03:01 PM
I am so looking forward to coming to work Tuesday and laugh at all you people that try to give me and all the other so called scabs a hard time. You all will be wasting your time, because I think I speak for lots that are at work, "We really could care less what you people think". You people do not pay our bills or look after our families needs. So, before you judge people right off the bat, realize that we all have our own personal reasons for needing to come back to work. Thank you!! See you Tuesday!!, "MAYBE"!!!
Posted by: alotta Location: wichita on Aug 27, 2008 at 02:53 PM
ur a SCAB so dont even talk, ur a SCab just like scab,reap alll the benefits n can't aford 42.00 a month,,,,,so fine
Posted by: peanut butter jelly time Location: Wichita on Aug 27, 2008 at 02:46 PM
it's going to be funny when people start getting popped with random drug tests when this is all over. I wonder how many of you strikers have hbc tools in your garages at home? hmmmmmmm
Posted by: Elmer Fudd on Aug 27, 2008 at 02:38 PM
SCABS awe my fwiends. Oh, that scwewy Union!
Posted by: eduk8ed Location: here on Aug 27, 2008 at 02:32 PM
I am glad that we can have such adult conversations.
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 02:32 PM
STRIKE KING wrote: "Becouse the scabs where scared and dont know how to stand up and defend themselves. Unlike my brothers and sisters on the picket line." This comment is so ignorant that it is almost funny! Do you really WANT physical confrontations? Is the union going to bail you out of jail or hire you an attorney for your assault charge? Someone has to take the high road to prevent physical violence. Are you happy that people are "scared" of you? Congrats - they think you're crazy enough to resort to violence! This is so juvenile! (though so is your grammar) The crossers are "standing up for themselves" by showing up every day - just like the stikers. You know what the difference is? The crossers are dignified enough to refrain from the name calling, harrassment, bullying, and intimidation tactics that the strikers have fallen into! Whose side would the average person outside the aircraft industry rather be on? Less than 8% of private sector workers belong to a union. Do the math.
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 02:04 PM
"I can't believe you people not only are you a scab but you feel like we want your comments on here."..... What, like this is a union web page? Your personal blog? What makes you think "we" want YOUR comments on here???? It's called OPEN FORUM folks! Deal with it or don't read it.
Posted by: SCAB4LIFE on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:56 PM
Givemeabreak#2 - Main Entry: waved; wav·ing 1: to motion with the hands or with something held in them in signal or salute Main Entry: waive waived; waiv·ing 1archaic : give up, forsake 2: to throw away (stolen goods) 3archaic : to shunt aside (as a danger or duty) : evade 4 a: to relinquish voluntarily (as a legal right) b: to refrain from pressing or enforcing (as a claim or rule) : forgo 5: to put off from immediate consideration NEED I SAY MORE?
Posted by: Swedish Chef Location: SwedeVille on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:49 PM
It's nut zee nun-uneeun members thet buzeer me-a, its zee uneeun members thet crussed zee fery furst veek ooff zee streeke-a. Here-a beffure-a zee streeke-a zeey ere-a roonneeng zeere-a muoot und mercheeng fur better ifeytheeng und beeeng pru-uneeun und THEN zee fery furst veek zeey gu beck tu vurk. Thuse-a ere-a zee SCEBS! Cun't stund zeem, VEEK!!!!!!! NO selff deegnity und zeey veell toorn oon unyune-a. Cun't be-a troosted!!!!! Iferyune-a vetch oooot!
Posted by: TINA TURNER Location: TX on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:46 PM
WHat's love got to do, got to do with it??
Posted by: !!! on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:44 PM
This new contract should have been offered the firs time around! It is a basic no frills contract with no take-aways. No more no less. We basically fought to get a neutral contract.
Posted by: George Burns Location: There on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:43 PM
I'm not hiding behind any computer... I'm hoovering around in the clouds ...
Posted by: hugs&kisses on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:24 PM
Givemeabreak#2 - I just want to apologize for the lack of attention your mother gave you as a child. Oh and karma is spelled K-A-R-M-A so much for your spelling lessons to others.
Posted by: Dave on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:21 PM
The most animosity I have ever seen during this strike was on the KAKE blogs. It's easy to hide behind a computer and act all high and mighty against one another.
Posted by: Kenny Rogers on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:18 PM
Back in my day we worked twice as hard as all you union workers and were d*mn proud of it. The union's are no good.
Posted by: Dom Delouise Location: Wichita on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:14 PM
I like scabs ... they make salads crunchy!!
Posted by: SCAB4LIFE on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:00 PM
I'm not scared of your threats. I'm not about to start name calling. I love you Givemeabreak#2. :)
Posted by: SCAB4LIFE on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Hmmm well first I'm not your "budy" whatever that is. Second I don't believe in Karma and third you were probably the one that hit on me.
Posted by: MamaSCAB on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:55 PM
Yea - Please use your indoor voice.
Posted by: Givemeabreak#2 Location: Salina on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:54 PM
To Scab4Life U R WEAAAAAAK!!!! No self dignity for yourself. U R a piece of sh*t. Its waived not waved idiot.And they wanted to hit you. UR pride is up UR *ss. Karma budy KARM, watch out!
Posted by: SCAB4LIFE on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:28 PM
I have plenty of confidence. My pride shined when I looked several strickers in the eye when crossing. Most of them smiled and waved. Some of them even tried to hit on me when I went through. LOL
Posted by: Watching Location: Wichita on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:17 PM
It's not the non-union members that bother me, its the union members that crossed the very first week of the strike. Here before the strike they are running there mouth and marching for better eveything and being pro-union and THEN the very first week they go back to work. Those are the SCABS! Can't stand them, WEAK!!!!!!! NO self dignity and they will turn on anyone. Can't be trusted!!!!! Everyone watch out!
Posted by: Givemeabreak on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:16 PM
HBC Wife - so now you've gone as low as to try and pass out guilt trips? You need to grow up.
Posted by: yea on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:09 PM
UNION WORKERS ARE PROUD !! WHAT IS A RED SHIRT GOT TO DO WITH IT? ITS JUST A SHIRT. WE HAVE BEEN ON TV NUMEROUS OF TIMES, SO ITS NOT THAT THEY ARE ASHAMED !! AND AGAIN WHY DONT YOU LOOK AT THEM WHEN YOU CROSS??? YEA FREELOADER !! WHAT ABOUT THAT? YOU BUNCH OF SCABS
Posted by: anon on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:03 PM
HBC Wife -- I don't think it's accurate to say that a "brother" died for the strike. He died in large part because the Union scheduled a rally during the early morning hours when it is dark. (It's pretty easy to find sunrise times in the paper or on the internet). You have to wonder about that, since there wasn't even anyone from management at work yet, to appreciate the big display of strength. Very bad planning, and no regard for the safety of its members.
Posted by: STRIKE KING on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:55 AM
To - scabs are #1 You want to know why the cops where their? Becouse the scabs where scared and dont know how to stand up and defend themselves. Unlike my brothers and sisters on the picket line. We still have our pride. Oh by the way just wait till a scab gets into trouble. The first place you will look for help is the Union. GOOD LUCK. One more thing, Its called a sighn in bonus. If the union wanted to , legally only the voting members would get one. My last word to all you scabs. BOO
Posted by: tired of it! Location: ICT on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:52 AM
What the hell does it matter what Cessna or Boeing got? WE DONT WORK THERE! If you people think its so great over there then by all means quit HBC and go across town! Who is forcing you to work at HBC? It was your choice to work at HBC and not Cessna or Spirit!
Posted by: Anti Anit SCABfan on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:19 AM
JK - Does that stand for Just Kidding?
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:17 AM
Turning radios up or talking on phones when they face the strikers every morning has NOTHING to do with lack of confidence or self respect! Would it be better if they yelled and hurled insults back at the strikers? The fact that they are able to take the abuse showered on them without retaliation shows that they are much more mature and self-assured than most of the strikers. Union members have a right to strike, but everyone has the right to choose to work. As Americans, we are entitled to our OWN OPINIONS! I do not agree with the strike, but I realize that it is YOUR right, YOUR choice, and I don't judge you for that. The open hostility of the strikers towards those that DON'T SHARE THEIR OPINIONS, however, is deeply disappointing. It is one thing to "stand up for what you believe", but entirely another to harrass and bully those with different beliefs. I would be horrified if my CHILD behaved as badly. This is no better than religious or racial persecution. You should be ashamed!
Posted by: Bon Jovi Location: Wichita on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:17 AM
people who make idle threats about things after the strike is over are weeeeeeaaaaaaaaaak! Weak! SCABS ROOL!
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:13 AM
How happy all the "scabs" are that they crossed the lines is ot true. It killed my husband to have to cross those lines but he was not left with many more choices. Crossing a fellow union member was never in his plans but me getting very sick was not either and we are not talking just a cold. So before some of you go back to work as big bad sheriff maybe you should stop take two minutes and find the true "scabs" and the workers that went back for the sake of somebody that they love. It was not easy for him to cross but now that everybody is happy why make things worse. I would like to think that we are all adults and could act a little bigger but maybe I am wrong.
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:13 AM
union members have pride, dignity, and self respect???? i saw a couple of you union members at the air show this weekend stopping off at the hawker beechcraft tent. If you have so much pride and dignity that you speak of, then why werent you wearing your red strike shirt? not to proud of you actions when around others????
Posted by: Union Member Location: Plt 1 on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:52 AM
Union Members please!!! read the Contract because the only OT that has changed is on the (4x10) (3x12) work week. Not on the reqular (5x8)....And yes I will probably get to work one of those shfts because I hired in on or after August 5th. 1996. Have a Blessed Day!!!
Posted by: HBC wife on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:37 AM
Certain unpleasant scabs might find themselves out of a job this if the strikers vote yes on the contract. One guy in tooling said he would cross day one and he did. Well buddy the company finally has a way to get rid of you. No contract so poof you're gone and no union to back you up and the union will NEVER back you up again. Seems to me that mainly certain unpleasant people crossed the line. I hope you're gone when our brothers and sisters go back to work. But on the other hand feel sorry for those who had to cross. Single parents and those for medical reasons.
Posted by: UNION Location: Wichita on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:35 AM
If any scab needs my help and believe me they will, I will not help them.I can't believe you people not only are you a scab but you feel like we want your comments on here. I would like to see a scab say these things to us when we get back that would be funny.We know deep down you feel pretty worthless right now and the only way you feel better is to type trash so go ahead feel free.But just remember who gets your job back for you when you are fired for attendance and work performance!!!Yep thats right THE UNION!!!!
Posted by: HBC wife on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:32 AM
To ASCAB: You could walk out today, cross back the picket line. Don't forget, one of your brother's died for this strike.
Posted by: union worker Location: ict on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:24 AM
this is to pro union....you have to be a new hire...new sheriff?? where...you must be a fool.....everyone is making same raise chump..whether they stayed out or not..and if you cause too much trouble for the scabs.,...you may be on the outside looking and wishing you hadnt opened your mouth and should your iq level....you are pure and simple a fool and i hope i dont know you.....
Posted by: At What Cost?? on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:36 AM
This contract SUCKS!! That's the bottom line! My question to you union members is...Was it worth it? Was it worth all the hardship? Was it worth the pain of losing a member? Would you sacrifice all your time and money again knowing this would be the end result? Of course the HEAD MEMBERS would push you to!! They're the ones that pushed you in the first place!! They DID IT TO SAVE THEIR OWN BUTTS!! Think for yourself! Vote NO for this contract!! They got what they wanted now they just want you to go back to work!! NOW IT'S TIME YOU GET WHAT YOU WANT!!
Posted by: We know Location: Wichita on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:25 AM
ascab- I do not work at HBC anymore but my husband does. I went out on the line with him the first morning. To my surprise, I did not see any cars being keyed or nails dropped. Actually, I heard a bunch of the strikers say things like "Oh, thats so n so she needs the insurance her husbands sick. Let her through." or "I feel bad for these salary people. They have no representation at all." Yes, there was alot of name calling but the majority of that was coming from people who knew the crosser and knew they could afford to stay out. Of course there will always be the ones that just didnt deserve the slander but got hit in the cross fire. Emotions tend to run high in these situations. You are the first "scab" on this Blog that I have seen be greatful for what the strikers did despite what you had to endure crossing the picket line day after day. I for one admire that!!! It takes a good person to stand up amongst the fighting and say what you said. APPLAUSE!!
Posted by: anon on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:05 AM
99 -- I think you'll find that the insulting and hostility is just part of the union mentality. You had the nerve to ask a perfectly legitiimate question, and several attacked like you'd kicked their dog. Typical.
Posted by: Rally Location: Wichita on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:38 AM
Cliff ... so it's over between us, but i know deep down we can make things work. I think burritos are tastey! I make some rockin' salsa .. ;)
Posted by: The Face Location: ICT on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:23 AM
Whine yourself right out of a job Mr. T.
Posted by: ascab Location: inhell on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:20 AM
well i feel really bad about crossing.The new contract is better and all the others saying it isn't well they are just saying that. I know after you guys come back the company isn't going to care about us. I feel pretty bad and wish I would have stayed out, how am I supposed to look a union striker in the face and feel good about myself..I will know next time what I should do and thats stand up for myself and my beothers and sisters..
Posted by: UNION Location: Wichita on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:08 AM
I think it is funny how all the scabs type stuff about us not getting a better contract, of course they are going to say that they don't want to admit that they had no part in standing up and having a voice.They will say that to make themselves feel better..We did a good job the new contract has given us more than the one we denied.Scabs you need to realize what you did to yourself by crossing and stop saying things to try and convince people the stike was for no reason when you know you are the ones complaining in the plant day after day about your job..Just remember who do you come to because you are being fired for poor attendance, or job performance THE UNION THATS WHO......
Posted by: Pro Union on Aug 27, 2008 at 07:50 AM
You company sheep that crossed sold your souls for sandwichs and ice cream. Be careful what you say. Come Tuesday there's a new sheriff in town. There's alot more of them than there is of you....alot.
Posted by: Union Supporter on Aug 27, 2008 at 07:46 AM
Looks to me like the union got what it wanted. They weren't asking for raises or a signing bonus. They just wanted no takeaways and that's pretty much what they got by striking. Way to go machinists!
Posted by: anonymous Location: wichita on Aug 27, 2008 at 07:34 AM
been reading these comment and have to laugh. All the scabs talking about how happy and proud they have been to cross. All their big talk and yet when faced with union members every morning, they turned their radios up, talked on their cell phones and wouldnt look up. Seems like the scabbies had some lack of confidence and self respect. Sure, we may not have gained much on the new contract, but after years and years of take aways, making any ground is a victory. We stood up for what we believed in, stood up to a company that had been kicking us down for years and won. This wasn't about the money, if it was, more would have crossed. WE were just taught long ago about values and not giving in when values are put to the test. Our pocket books may be a little emptier but we have something that you scabs don't. Pride, dignity, and self respect. Enjoy your last couple days of your little lunches and ice cream, the REAL work will begin soon
Posted by: Union Proud Location: Wichita on Aug 27, 2008 at 07:33 AM
Hey everyone = just found something - Contract Offer #2 Vacation Improvement – 3 weeks after 8 years; 4 weeks after 18 years Contract Offer #1 15.01.04. All employees who complete one hundred and ninety-two (192) months’ work time shall receive four weeks’ vacation with 160 hours’ straight time pay, provided they worked 1040 hours or more during the prior calendar year. SO we have HAVE LOST gaining a week of vaction by 2 years in the new offer (Have to work 18 years now instead of 16 years). NO Take aways was what the union said. I think they need to respond to this!!!!
Posted by: Steve Location: Salina on Aug 27, 2008 at 07:22 AM
All these people that are complaining, WE DIDN'T LOOSE ANYTHING!!! We never gain from the company. If we wouldn't have stood up for what is right we would have lost a lot. You scabs don't think we won anything then I think you need to take everything that you will get extra from our fight and donate it to charity. Pay those extra premiums. We might not have received everything in the world but the company will think twice next time about trying to screw us over. If we wouldn't have stood up to HBC they would take even more away from us next contract. If we all acted like the scabs schuster would pay us all minimum wage and triple his salary. Be proud my union brothers and sisters we fought the battle and we didn't loose anything. Quit being greedy and its now time to show the scabs that they have no friends out here and now its our time to show them WHO BUILDS THESE PLANES!!!!!
Posted by: Pro Union on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:57 AM
This break has been great! I enjoyed it! Now to go back to work and fix what you worthless scabs have screwed up.
Posted by: IAM Worker on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:55 AM
For those who think that we struck for nothing, you don't have a clue. We have to strike or else we become the barking dog who doesn't bite. The company will run over us every contract like they have the last three if they think that we won't strike. This strike will be in thier memory for years to come which means better contracts for us, and for you ungrateful scabs too. Now get off our backs, we're tired of carrying you here and at work!
Posted by: ScAb on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:32 AM
SCABS RULE! SCABS RULE! SCABS RULE! SCABS RULE! SCABS RULE! SCABS RULE! SCABS RULE! SCABS RULE! SCABS RULE! SCABS RULE! SCABS RULE! SCABS RULE! SCABS RULE! SCABS RULE! SCABS RULE!
Posted by: MR. T Location: South Wichita on Aug 27, 2008 at 02:31 AM
I lost nothing because I saved my pennies , I got me a month unpaid vacation! Hope it's longer because this contract still stinks!!! How is 8:24pm to 6:54am second shift???? No Overtime after eight hours on the 4x10 shift is a loss of over $5000.00. Still lot's of take aways in this stink!!!
Posted by: JK Location: plant 4 on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:49 AM
Anti Anti SCAB: If you were half as smart as you claim to be, you'd realize that a degree doesn't promise more pay. I know plenty of college educated people on the unemployment line. The fact that I spent 3 weeks on a picket line fighting for a better contract that affects MY family (not yours) doesn't make me stupid. It's people like you, that we even have unions. By the way,I too have a degree but have found that I can make more money working at HBC. If you took the time to look at the strike issues, you'd see it wasn't about money. It was about unreasonable raises in the health plan and a takeaway of benefits. I too, put my own roof over my head. I work hard everyday (yes weekends too). I may make union wages and believe in what the union stands for, but make no mistake, I earn MY money. I'm proud to work with people who will sacrifice a paycheck (or 3) to stand against corporate greed.
Posted by: ICT Location: ICT on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:08 AM
OMG!!! It's the same two insurance companies that were offered in the last and rejected contract!! Only this time the Union posted (on their website and included with the handouts) the missing summary page. The SAME summary page is listed on HBC from the last and rejected contract. It's the same coverage with exclusions and copays. EVERYTHING'S THE SAME!!! The only thing that isn't is the fact that the cost is capped. Great, NOW will you whiners go back to work?!
Posted by: dwayne Location: wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 11:24 PM
i guess the co. finally figured out they needed more than a bunch of scabs for "business as usual." i love how the co. put week one highlights on the web page.they delivered a couple of planes that were completed the week before we went out. never saw anymore highlights,they even removed week one highlights....huh? scabs if you good have done it without us,you wouldn't be feeling so uncormfortable right now. let me guess,you had bills? NO S**T who doesn't? at least now this company knows we will strike,so come correct the first time in three years!!! at least now the co. will not have to pay oklahomha "rent a cops" anymore. i have heard of BLACKWATER, maybe they were STILLWATER! oh yea no more free SCAB food either! get ready for work on tues. and HAWKER BEECHCRAFT FILLED WITH TENSION!!!!!
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:52 PM
you people really need to grow the f up!
Posted by: AAA Location: wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:41 PM
99 - Boeing deal is 9% raise plus 3.8% cola over 3 yrs. 5% signing bonus, pension $78/month.
Posted by: 99 on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:24 PM
The question I posed, was the question of an interested member of the community. I don't work in aircraft and am not in management. I actually work in Health Care. I was just asking out of curiousity. For those of you who responded to my question without insulting me, thank you. For those of you who couldn't answer the question without insulting me, well, I'm just a member of the community. You wanted the community to support your strike. That's a heck of a way to go about getting the support. I'm not going to pretend that I know anything about your contracts, or planes. But as a person that doesn't know I was just deferring to your "professional opinions". I do hope that you all get whatever it was you all wanted out of this. But all this hostility is undeserved and unnecessary!
Posted by: cliff on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:06 PM
I love you Crazy4Cliff! I would love for you to have my babies! Sorry Rally but we are over.
Posted by: Anti Anti SCAB on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:01 PM
I put my own roof over my head thank you very much. The union is worthless. It's call an education....get one. Maybe if you had one you wouldn't have lost three weeks of pay. LMAO idiot
Posted by: union worker Location: ict on Aug 26, 2008 at 09:48 PM
hey yall i heard we are getting a lil signing bonus....steve rooney will hand out a pair of IAM rose colored glasses to all the starry eyed new hires ..yall will look purty wearing those in the plt...they are safety approved!!
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 26, 2008 at 09:44 PM
It was made clear on the Union website that those who have crossed the line are NOT eligible to vote. However, those thinly veiled (and some not so veiled at all) threats that have been posted here have been reported to the proper authorities. (With screen shots I might add). I don't think they have Unions for prisoners, do they?
Posted by: to all the scabs on Aug 26, 2008 at 09:30 PM
Scabs..Do you think or have someone think for you?Do you realize that your jobs are goin to freakin MEXICO??? while you laugh about being a scab and crossing,while others fight to save YOUR freakin job, they are laughing you right to MEXICO.. Now we will see where crossing got you in the future. Finding another job. Dont you care what the company you work for can offer you in the future? where you can retire and know that you will be taken care of (family), and knowing that you fought all these contracts to get something better. The company isnt just gonna give you it, you have to work together and fight for it. I honestly think that you FREELOADERS shouldnt get one PENNY and you should keep the crappy insurance they offered. And as far as everyting else, you shouldnt get NOTHING !! , my husband works there, and hes such a strong MAN for sticking up for whats right. Not only are you a scab but your a SCABBY CHICKEN!funny that yall cant look at the STRIKERS as you cross the line.GUILTY .
Posted by: Stephanie on Aug 26, 2008 at 09:22 PM
Forgot to mention...The Union already said if we go back to work Monday...we will get our strike check next week. They pay a week BEHIND. IF we go back...we would have fought for what they wanted to take from us...but we GAINED nothing.
Posted by: Union Proud?? on Aug 26, 2008 at 09:10 PM
Are we really going to accept this?? We get one more dollar a year for pension (But have to be around to see that). We lost the vaction package (More weeks in fewer years) from the first contract - now in this one it's back to the same old - same old - so the company took that back - Union said NO takeaways (BULL)!! We've stay'd out this long - why not stay out longer - seems to me like we gained too few items to go back now (frozen insurance payments for 3 years - 5 day's ETO - Hell we lost that by week 2 on the picket line).
Posted by: Stephanie on Aug 26, 2008 at 09:04 PM
I just read everyone's comments and I would like to clear a few things up. We WILL get paid for Labor Day. We get two choices on health care. Co-pays are $20 no matter which one you go with. I personally was tickled when I heard we were going to get to vote. I want to go back to work! Then I read the contract. Agreeing with the contract means you went on strike and went in the poor house for nothing. The stress of no pay check will all be for NOTHING. We haven't gained much more. I'm not going to argue with anyone either. I'm voting REJECT. All the things WE have just went through, and they are going to give us a less than when what we want! Stop following the union! They wanted us to vote yes the last time and we did and GOT SCREWED! Then they said vote no...we did! Now they want us to agree to basically the same thing! Why? So we can be screwed AGAIN? I'm voting REJECT! I'm not going to be a pawn in whatever game they are playing!
Posted by: salina on Aug 26, 2008 at 08:23 PM
Every comment a striker posts only highlights their depth of stupidity. Your co-workers went to work everyday because they didn't support the strike and didn't want to look like a fool holding a sign on a stick for the whole world to see. We have plenty of money in savings and are a two income family. We chose not to waste our savings on petty bickering that didn't really get you much of anything extra. We will also enjoy the overtime income that will come at your expense. Way to go Union!
Posted by: Shaddup! on Aug 26, 2008 at 08:21 PM
anti-anti scab wrote: "SCABS ARE GENIUS'!! I appreciate everyone that crossed the line! It just goes to show who really wants to work. I hope this strike hit the union workers pocket books hard! Union = IDIOTS" junior, get your pajamas on and go to bed!! - and be thankful for the better house we put over your head.
Posted by: abunch on Aug 26, 2008 at 07:28 PM
If I were a union member (I'm not) I would feel completely blindsided by the head union members. Of course they're gonna make the new contract sound as sweet as pie to you because THEY want you to vote YES but you've got to REALLY look at it! Does it look much different? Is it what you fought for? You were fooled! Union can never be trusted and everyone one of you should have voted YES for the 1st contract and you wouldn't have lost anything. Now you're pretty much voting on the same contract but you're doing so with LESS CASH IN THE BANK!! Doesn't feel so good does it???
Posted by: anon on Aug 26, 2008 at 07:18 PM
99 -- I believe the Boeing deal is nine percent over three years -- three percent a year.
Posted by: hardworker Location: wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 07:13 PM
To 99: you must be in mangement as your so stupid! It was an offer of 9% over 3 years!
Posted by: union worker Location: ict on Aug 26, 2008 at 06:55 PM
i truly believe some of you all cant read...the boeing contract is a 9 percent over a 3 yr period..ours is 12 percent... if you cant read or thInk any better than soME of you all do...i would be afraid to ride in a milk crate you would build.... START READING AND PAY ATTENTION !! NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO HOLD YOUR HAND ALL THE TIME!!! like i said the boeing contract is there baby..and if you really think the IAM will support the hbc strike after turning this one down ..they will go with Boeing faster than you can say boeing!! you will be fooled!! and ....YOU ARE NOT GONNA GET RICH IN AIRCRAFT!!
Posted by: Youngbloods Location: Wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 06:51 PM
Come on people now smile on your brother everybody get together try to love one another right now
Posted by: union worker Location: ict on Aug 26, 2008 at 06:50 PM
the boeing raises have nothing to do with us..comparing our planes to boeings ar elike complaing apples to oranges...so go ahead and be dumb...yes dumb and reject this contract...you will wlak the line a few thinner....some of us old timers are sick to death of you greedy newbies...
Posted by: No more Location: Kansas on Aug 26, 2008 at 05:47 PM
I agree I will become a scab if this contract is voted down this time. Greed and all this hatefulnes has to stop. I hope if you come back to work with this hate that you are fired immediately. If I witness anything I will be the first to tell my story and help get you removed old friend or not. I have been in the union for over 15 years, I stayed out even though the 1st contract was right with me but I have seen friends turn into hateful people that I don't know anymore.
Posted by: 99 on Aug 26, 2008 at 05:28 PM
Have you guys seen the story on Boeing's deal?? Do those of you who are voting thursday believe that will affect the outcome of your vote, as they have been offered a 9% raise, not 4%? Just curious. Thanks
Posted by: union worker Location: ict on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:51 PM
i can see now..we have one guy on here that DID NOT READ THE NEW CONTRACT!!please take your IAM blinders off....the new contract sez nothing at all about not making you work the 7th day ..it sez if you work the alternative shifts the 3 12's they cant make you work the 7th day... for God's sake...please read it..i dont want to hear you whining when they say....you are mandatoried 19 straight...yes you will be and yes..til dec..3 weeks off is a whole lot of planes behind now...i have been at hbc long enought to know how it works... one month longer....you are full of it... and if your hanging out for a signing bonus...YOU SRE NOT GOING TO GET ONE!! PERIOD get over yourself !!! this has to be a new hire thta is demanding a signing bonus cuz some of us hbc veterans know...it aint gonna happen.... like i said..do what you want on thursday.. vote yes...vote no....i am gonna cross on the 4th....if you vote this down you are in the wrong line of work!!!
Posted by: haha on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:36 PM
you all had a strike for nothing! if you vote that contract in it will be so not worth it, they didnt change much of anything for you guys! so you lost out for 21 days for a couple dollars. A little ETO and more OT! way to go union, its like the freaking blind leading the blind. Dont you guys feel a little lied to by the union guys that are high up and still collecting a check?
Posted by: Rally Location: in Cliff's Arms on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:28 PM
cRAZY.... You must be out of yo mind .. i'll challenge you to a game of hop scotch but hold the hop and take the scotch
Posted by: Pukedinmymouthalittle on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:27 PM
I wouldn't want to kiss a smelly ol union member much less have to pay for it! Yucky
Posted by: Paris Hilton Location: 90210 on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:23 PM
That's hot!
Posted by: Rally Location: here on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:20 PM
Grandpas lover ... does he hang out at IPB5?
Posted by: SCAB Lovah! Location: stockroom on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:19 PM
I love the stockroom ... i love to hold the toilet paper between my fingers and feel the softness. USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!
Posted by: Rally Location: here on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:17 PM
strikers could set up a kissing booth on the line and charge people for kisses ... that's a way to get extra money .. be entrepreneurs
Posted by: Crazy4Cliff on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:17 PM
Rally I challenge you to a game of four square!
Posted by: Striker Location: Rose Hill on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:15 PM
Salary Scab:Funny how there is no work in the stock room when no planes are being built!LOL!!!
Posted by: Outsider Location: Wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:12 PM
I have no ties what-so-ever to Hawker or any other air craft company in wichita, but wanted to put my two cents in. I am not here to comment on the contract you turned down nor am I trying to attack anyone personally. I just wanted to point out that Wichita knows what a great service each and every one of you provide for the community. With that said, good for all of those Strikers out there day after day standing up for what you believe in. And good for all you workers who returned to your daily duties in order to take care of you and your own. We do live in America where EVERYONE has the right to choose for themselves. And finally shame on every one of you who have nothing left to resort to but childish acts of retaliation. Is that the type of person you want your children and families to look up to? Think about that before the next time you call someone a name or threaten their well being.
Posted by: GladURnotmygrandma on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:11 PM
Doesn't sound like Grandpa is taking his Viagra if he was you would think his wife wouldn't be so hateful.
Posted by: timmaaaaaaaaaaay Location: home on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:10 PM
if i crossed the picket line in my lil rascal would you beat me up? i need to get my beneys back
Posted by: BLunion Location: here on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:08 PM
I got a dictionary for Christmas. I'm glad you have noticed the wonderful spelling job. I might graduate to the 5th grade this year! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! Salary people always pay a higher cost for insurance versus the union...DUH BIG RED T-R-U-C-K!
Posted by: Grandpa's Wife Location: Wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:07 PM
Sorry everyone. I have tried to be nice and professional but I just can't pass on this one. Oh, and I am at work while I do this. SCABS - SCURVY ABCESSES on BUTTS of STRIKERS!!
Posted by: Rally Location: Wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:05 PM
I'll double jump rope challenge you for cliff and then do the spin head on bat and run the bases .. I AM CHAMPION!!
Posted by: Grandpa's Wife Location: Wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:58 PM
Anonymous: Grandpa just printed a copy of contract. We do get a choice of insurances, lab & x-rays are paid, prescription co-pays are same. According to contract, deductibles & co-insurance are not going to increase. I didn't see any improvements but didn't see any take-aways either. I agree that the contract isn't the best but contrary to what the anti-strikers are saying, we still made headway. It is never wrong to stand up for what you believe in. TO: SCAB Lovah! You are an idiot. And, thanks to the strikers, your insurance premium is not going to go up in 2010 or 2011. Make sure to thank them. To Blunion: I am proud of you too. You can spell "fire you"???
Posted by: Crazy4Cliff on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:56 PM
Rally - I'll rock, paper, scissors you for him...just keep in mind that I won the national championship back in 77' you don't have a chance.
Posted by: R@lly Location: Wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:55 PM
CLIFF - If they only put U and I next to each other in the alphabet .... oh oh oh yes!
Posted by: Crazy4Cliff on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:51 PM
Cliff remember what you told me the other night? We'd be together forever. I love your sweet sweet a**.
Posted by: R@lly Location: Wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:45 PM
Cliff - you know it is true love between us. I know we have something special. in the words of milli vanilli ..oooohooooh I love you!
Posted by: anti anti scab fan club Location: wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:42 PM
Love ya Anti Anti Scab. Don't listen to J you are a Genius. Those Scabs made sure there is a company to come back to. Pat on the back for anti anti scab!!! GO AAS
Posted by: Anti Anti SCAB on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:36 PM
J - I don't know if you know this but I'm a pretty big deal...
Posted by: Crazy4Cliff on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:33 PM
I'll fight you for him Rally! He's MINE back off!
Posted by: Anti Anti SCAB on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:31 PM
:( Aw, J you hurt my feelings. LMAO
Posted by: Rally Location: Wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:30 PM
Cliff -- I've been after you for weeks now ... you better pick my burrito and beer
Posted by: Salary Scab Location: Plant 4 on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:27 PM
Well i am sitting in plant 4 right now and becasue we are so caught up in the stock room with half the normal staff I find myself BORED. I feel that i can train a monkey to do this work. Warning to all you people out there saying nothing is being done here...You will have a rude awaking when you get back because management has realized what happens when people actully work things get done!!! I feel guilty getting paid half as much as i am for doing this work. But anyways I hope you guys are happy with the new contract and please come back to work peacefully and remember who you signs you checks HBC not the Union.
Posted by: Rally Location: Wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:26 PM
Even God had a day off! Let's have a group hug!!! Cliff ... Beer and burritos???? wanna join me?
Posted by: Crazy4Cliff on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:20 PM
Cliff I want to have your babies!
Posted by: read and comprehend Location: ict on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:06 PM
*********** Posted by: union member Location: wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 12:20 PM i think it is great that we get every 7th day off if we choose. we sure didnt have that before the strike. *********************************** and you won't have that unless you are on the alternate work schedule (4x10 or 3x12)
Posted by: HBC LOVER on Aug 26, 2008 at 02:52 PM
It's going to be a sad day when you nasty lazy union people come back to work. Everyone is sooooo happy without you! You can stay on the other side of the fence for all I care, the grass is greener on this side!
Posted by: Contract BS on Aug 26, 2008 at 02:46 PM
Overtime MY Foot See Below - they'll shove us on one shift 3.01.05. The Company may, as deemed necessary, schedule employees on a an alternative workweek consisting of either four (4) consecutive ten (10) hour days (4X10) (Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday) or three (3) consecutive eleven and one-half (11-1/2) hour days (3X12) (Friday, Saturday and Sunday). Assignment to either of these an alternative workweek schedules shall be made from senior qualified volunteers within the affected occupation(s) and department or by employees hired on or after August 5, 1996, in accordance with Section 5.12 Shift Preference 3.01.06 Workweek scheduling rules: A. Employees whose workweek includes Saturday or Sunday shall observe the regular holidays. B. ETO, vacations, and holidays shall be paid in the same amount as their standard work day rate. C. The Company may transition work areas from one workweek to another with twenty eight (28) calendar days notice.
Posted by: SCABS WIN! on Aug 26, 2008 at 02:39 PM
MMMMMM SCABS....I think SCABS are hot.
Posted by: Grandpa's Wife Location: Wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 02:38 PM
Dave, where can I go to read info on the insurance? I am still trying to find it. Thanks. One more question. What happens to scabs when they get picked off? STRIKERS STAND STRONG!!
Posted by: Fatties on Aug 26, 2008 at 02:36 PM
I'm just glad I won't have to watch the zombies walk infront of my car every morning. That was probably the most exercise you guys have seen for a while!
Posted by: BLunion Location: Wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 02:35 PM
Threaten anyone's life, like we have seen on some of the posts when strikers come back and you'll get canned. Human life is precious ... What would you do if the exempt/non-exempt people went on strike because they have to pay the difference in health insurance increases? paychecks would not be out on time and a whole lot of other things would be delayed. Not everyone who works in the salary world makes big bucks. Some barely get by. take that and stick it in your pipe Union Member.... go hide behind Rooney (classic example of a Boeing reject)
Posted by: Cop Mom Location: Wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 02:33 PM
Wasn't it scabs that were fired at beginning of strike? Just checking.
Posted by: J Location: Wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 02:32 PM
To Anti Anti SCAB YOU are not a GENIUS! Hawker nor the Union can trust you or the employees in the plants! KARMA!
Posted by: union member Location: wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 02:28 PM
i have found new respect for all the non-union members who refused to cross the line.
Posted by: union member Location: wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 02:26 PM
i see that the "line crossers" are already hiding behind managment. according to 'Blunion' we will be fired if we hurt their little feelings. HA! HA! dont start none wont be none!!!!
Posted by: SCAB Lovah! Location: Wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 02:23 PM
WHy is it the older workers don't even want to help the new hires learn their job. Are you afraid they will take your job? You know nothing about team work, and being a good sport. Being in a union these days is like paying people to be your friend. Chickens would do a better job walking the line that from what I've seen.
Posted by: union Location: wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 02:20 PM
your right some of you scabs do have internet on your phones, but your supposed to be working not playing on your phones!!! and wasnt a scab that said union members waste time in the bathrooms? well according to this scab thats what the scabs are doing now playing on their phones in the bathroom.
Posted by: Anti Anti SCAB on Aug 26, 2008 at 02:09 PM
SCABS ARE GENIUS'!! I appreciate everyone that crossed the line! It just goes to show who really wants to work. I hope this strike hit the union workers pocket books hard! Union = IDIOTS
Posted by: Rally Location: Wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 02:08 PM
Some people have internet service on their phones and can view webpages while using the bathroom. UNION PERSON - did you think about that. Some people do get breaks.
Posted by: Blunion Location: wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 02:05 PM
scabs are good. they really do help wounds heal. I wouldn't make threats against them, because you start something at work they will fire you. F-I-R-E Y-O-U!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Posted by: Are you kidding me? on Aug 26, 2008 at 01:59 PM
Union - What are you 2yrs old? I LOVE SCABS! THEY HEAL WOUNDS!!
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 26, 2008 at 01:56 PM
Dave you might want to read this new contract again. Im with you on this but the way the new contract reads is that the insurance you have will be froze for the next 3 years.
Posted by: scabs are #1 on Aug 26, 2008 at 01:50 PM
Scabs are the craftsman that know how to build a plane and know when their family comes first! They know that the contract wasnt perfect but they also know that it wasnt as bad as the last one the union told them to vote yes on!! STUPID UNION!! Go sit in the sun and eat another flipping popcycle. AND YES THE STRIKERS ARE THE ONES THAT MAKE IT A HOSTILE WORK ENVIORNMENT! WHy do you think the cops are there this time around???? DUH
Posted by: To the scabs Location: wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 01:42 PM
If you, the scabs, dont like the new contract you can "go find another job" or you can all get together and have your own strike for what you do want. If you think your group is strong enough to stick together. After all this is America.
Posted by: BAD on Aug 26, 2008 at 01:42 PM
Vote NO TO THE CONTRACT!! We deserve more!! We held out 21 days for this??!! I sure the HE** didn't!! STAND STRONG !!! ONE* MONTH* LONGER* If that's what it takes!! UNION STRONG!!! Come on Bro's!!
Posted by: Anonymous Location: ict on Aug 26, 2008 at 01:27 PM
dead weight?.out of the hanger???.You guys moved a 4000 didn't you?..........you get her stuck in the ramp AGAIN?...she go in up to the anti skid this time also??
Posted by: Anonymous Location: wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 01:20 PM
does severance benefits does not included on the new deal?
Posted by: Dave Location: Wichita on Aug 26, 2008 at 01:10 PM