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Posted by: virginia
Location: wichita
on Jan 30, 2009 at 08:30 AM
I am a ex wife of a cessna employee and whether or not did they strike or not they would of if there demands where not made and you know what they are greedy take what you get quit trying for more and the company might not be in trouble now
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 28, 2009 at 11:21 PM
CESSNA-cutting 4000 jobs NOT 2000
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 20, 2009 at 09:26 AM
Cessna is going on a 4 day work week
Posted by: Alan
Location: Wichita
on Jan 16, 2009 at 06:12 PM
I got so excited, I forgot to tell you this is for our Reps. in Local Lodge 839.
Posted by: Alan
Location: Wichita
on Jan 16, 2009 at 05:59 PM
Hey Spirit people, check out the info Way2Cool put out. David Eagle and Howard Johnson make over $82,000 a year, and that was 2007 wages.The secretary makes $50,000 a year!!!!
Posted by: Way2Cool
Location: Wichita
on Jan 16, 2009 at 03:25 PM
If you are successful in negotiating a 4% GWI in your original offer, but you go out on strike over benefits or workforce language, your rate of pay during your strike would be $31.20/hour. During a 60 day strike, you would missout on $10,820 of lost wages. If the union takes you out on strike every 3-4 years, you may retire (or get laid off) and never recoup the money you lost. You do the math to determine how long it takes the employee to recover their lost wages because of a strike and whether or not your strike hurt the Company so much that you now have a WARN notice. Looks like a death spiral to me (look at the auto industry). In Wichita, if the IAM looses 5000 members through company layoffs and 60% of those members pay dues of $63/month, the IAM would loose $2,268,000 in revenue - I wonder who they will lay off from their staff?
Posted by: Way2Cool
Location: Wichita
on Jan 16, 2009 at 02:41 PM
Continued - At some price point, all companies that have a product to sell could price themselves out of business regardless of the economy. What unions and companies get through the negotiations process is all based on leverage. Today, the backlog is strong, so unions negotiate incredible packages and sometimes have to use work stoppages to prove their point and get what they want. Same as a child throwing a temper tantrum until they get their way! Vought in Nashville put together an employee strike calculator to show what the financial impact of a strike is to the skilled worker that was lead by unskilled union leaders into striking the company. If you make $30 per hour and are on strike for 60 days, you will loose out on $10500 in wages. See next Thread >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Posted by: Way2Cool
Location: Wichita
on Jan 16, 2009 at 12:44 PM
So, look at this info from the Dept of Labor web site: http://kcerds.dol-esa.gov/query/getOfficerEmployeeQry.do - for the union name, select IAM, for the city, type Wichita and for the state , type Kansas. Frr the fiscal year, select 2007 (the most recent report year) and then submit. As you can see, the D70 and other local salaries are listed, many of which are greater than what the highly skilled aircraft workers make (without OT). It appears that unions, are a business of their own, from CEOs to secretaries. It takes money to standup and maintain a union. I bet the union leaders will not not take a paycut as a result of the bad economy even though they promulgate CEOs and mgmt to take compensation cuts. The IAM just increased their monthly dues by about 10%/month! Why, to be able to run their corporation (compensation, utilities, benefits, etc.) It is a death spiral - unions negotiate higher wages and benefits, then they tax their members more (continued on next entry)
Posted by: Not Important
Location: wichita
on Jan 15, 2009 at 08:06 PM
Someone needs to look into the leadership of HBC. The VP of HR is a criminal and likes to use intimidation. No wonder people stick around over there. Wonder why he left Bank of America???
Posted by: Alan
Location: Wichita
on Jan 15, 2009 at 07:32 PM
Reality, you do not know what you are talking about! Just because a person is a sheet metal worker (rivet popper), does not mean ANYTHING!! I know SEVERAL sheet metal mechanics that have degrees dummy! I work with a couple that have there masters, and a woman that is doing her dissertation, and about complete it, for her PHD, all of which are out in the SHOP!!!!!! I hate to inform you of this, but sheet metal mechanics are skilled labor, they are at the beginning of the skilled labor level, but skilled just the same. And the union does NOT guarantee ANYONE a job. You screw up enough, you can and will be fired, it happens on a daily basis here at Spirit! People like you just blow my mind, you think you know what you are talking about, and in reality, you do not have a CLUE!
Posted by: michele
Location: belle plaine kansas
on Jan 15, 2009 at 07:07 PM
clearly "reality" is thinking above his pay grade. please don't embarrass yourself or us further with your ignorance of aircraft/aerospace workers
Posted by: michele
Location: belle plaine kansas
on Jan 15, 2009 at 07:04 PM
maybe they can pay us minimum wage to build the vehicles that caryy them and their families houndreds of feet in the air?
Posted by: ElizabethW
Location: Wichita
on Jan 15, 2009 at 02:34 PM
People can be so ignorant or just plain stupid. Not everyone who works at an aircraft company has money and will be just fine without a job. Not all aircraft workers live beyond their means and go way under when they lose their jobs. But it doesn't mean that they will be just fine either. I am so upset at the notion that aircraft workers get paid too much. DD has it right, you go to school and have to get licensed to get one of these jobs and you have to pass random drug tests. Its people who don't want to conform and be "monitored by the man" that complain about how much aircraft workers get paid. My husband has worked there for six years and gets over $22 an hour and I work 40 hours a week at a credit union and we are still scraping the bottom of the barrel. If my husband gets laid off, we lose over three hundred dollars a week at least. We might lose our house! Does that sound like we will be just fine? The guy at Spirit who won is lucky. Million dollars and a job. Wow.
Posted by: Reality
Location: Wichita
on Jan 15, 2009 at 01:16 PM
Alan-Okay, nobody said ALL were skilled, but someone did say "Most of these workers work a lot of hours and are skilled laborers," and that is BS. Most of them are not. I comprehend the concept of the levels of pay and actually nothing I said would indicate that I do not...I am referring those popping rivets making anything over $10 an hour. I'm not in aircraft...nothing I said would indicate that either. I went to college to qualify for my profession and I am my own boss. Mike-I never said that skilled aircraft workers are over paid. SEE ABOVE. Those that are skilled are not who I am referring to. The comments are directed toward the layoffs, not welfare so that is why there is no mention. Boils down to this: SOME people in aircraft are paid what they're worth, MOST are paid more than they're worth. Union guarantees jobs for worthless people. If you're offended by my post, you probably have a guilty conscious that you're one of those worthless folks who are overpaid!!!
Posted by: dr
on Jan 15, 2009 at 12:25 PM
dang mike, that's straight up gangsta talk! who you be trippin with sayin thangs like that?
Posted by: Toni
Location: Wichita
on Jan 15, 2009 at 11:24 AM
This is to reality you have no idea what your are talking about I work at Cessna and it works like this if you have been in a job and held that classification then you use your total number of years of service ina layoff,so if I have ten years and have 4 other jobs to bump back to I will stay at Cessna longer than someone that has been in the same job for say ten years. Please do not give infromation your learn second hand from your fiance that is wrong.People will read that and get false hope Thank You
Posted by: Left Wichita
on Jan 15, 2009 at 11:04 AM
It's bad everywhere, for every job. Everyone is worried sick about the economy, and it's just sad that we cannot make our Senators and Congress people take pay cuts, instead of giving themselves raises. We need to ask them why they deserve a raise when most of us are on the cusp of being laid off. Wichita depends on aircraft workers to help support the economy, and the Wichita public officials do not know how to bring new businesses to Wichita. They are a joke. Get out while you can!!!!
Posted by: Reality#1
on Jan 15, 2009 at 10:38 AM
The second Reality poster is stupid and has stupid views. They didnt even see which names were already posted. I will change my name to Reality#1...
Posted by: Mike
Location: CMH
on Jan 15, 2009 at 08:36 AM
The myth of Netjets layoff is false in this report
Posted by: TE
on Jan 15, 2009 at 12:59 AM
I am a Hawker employee and we are wandering and waiting on the "pink slips". Everything is hush hush and no one knows anything. Cessna, have they given you any slips yet? Are they talking a 2 month shut down?
Posted by: DD
Location: Wichita
on Jan 14, 2009 at 09:35 PM
Many that complain about the higher wages probably couldn't even pass a drug test to get a job at Cessna. My high wages have put others to work in the local community. I make around $90k a year and have for the last 4-5 years and been there close to 14 yrs. I will be able to stay,and I will cut cost some,but I will continue to spend my $$ and support the local economy that puts others to work too. If everyone made $8 an hour,the local economy would be a major mess. It would be worse then it is with job cuts. Common Sense needs to come into play here. Nobody has a right to complain about the higher wages that Aircraft workers have then most jobs. If you want to make that kind of $$ then you need to set yourself up to get in that type of work down the road when business picks back up. You get out of life what you put into it. Not all jobs require skill either. And those jobs don't pay more then $20 or so an hour if not even that. Now the $28-$35 an hors jobs do require skill.
Posted by: mike
Location: wichita
on Jan 14, 2009 at 05:30 PM
reality your post is like i said before.it is better to sit there and say nothing at all and look like a idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.who are you to say that skilled aircraft workers are over paid. almost everyone has the opportunity to work in aircraft if they choose.but,many are not willing to take the risk of lay-off and keep there secure job.as for some people being lazy and being protected by the union that is true unfortunately but there are lazy people in all walks of life.i dont here you complaining about the welfare people getting our tax money.also,the professional athlete are they worth what they get paid.the way i see it is, we all in aircraft know the risks as well as the rewards.i am not whinning because i am going to get laid off.that was the risk i took.i aslo to the chance to get salary to enjoy a few things my kids and my family would have not have if i was not in this profession.unfortunately alot more people may be seeing the uneployment line.
Posted by: Alan
Location: Wichita
on Jan 14, 2009 at 04:53 PM
Reality, I don't know if you are stupid, or just a complete idiot, or both! No one said ALL of the aircraft workers were skilled. Each skill level has their own pay scale, the higher the skill level, the better the wage. The lower the skill level, the lower the pay, just can't comprehend can you? Why don't you try a muzzle until you find out what you are talking about? You probably do okay in aircraft, because you spend most of your time in the bosses office? Is that your version of job security? What a joke!
Posted by: Reality
Location: Wichita
on Jan 14, 2009 at 04:10 PM
Although I believe the layoffs at Cessna are due to our economy as a whole, I can say that most aircraft workers are overpaid. It's BS that ALL of them are skilled, highly qualified candidates...instead they are people willing to get in the door by popping rivets and have the same skill level as the person who deep fries my chicken nuggets at McDonalds. Reality is, SOME aircraft workers' salaries could and should be lowered (and not because I was ever denied a job there...mine is fine). Who can justify worthless people who still have a job because of the Union? When my husband was employed in aircraft there were several morons there that didn't belong, but because of union technicalities they're still there...making money to pay the child support they owe each of their three babies' mamas.
Posted by: BJM
on Jan 14, 2009 at 01:51 PM
Really, is that what you think? Layoff's mean as much to everyone in this community as it does the aircraft workers! When they get paid, where do you suppose they spend their paychecks? They shop here, go to movies here, eat out here, etc. Do you think your jobs are just as safe when millions and millions of dollars stop making your paychecks and you lose your job?
Posted by: IMO
Location: Wichita
on Jan 14, 2009 at 12:02 PM
looking in - so being a college graduate makes you smart and worthy of making 6 figures? Are you really that stupid? Don't answer that - I already know the answer.....
Posted by: j
Location: Wichita
on Jan 14, 2009 at 12:00 PM
When it comes to layoffs it doesn't necessarily matter how good of a worker you are.Just bc someone has 20 yrs doesn't mean they are a better employee than the one who has less than 5 yrs.But the one w/the seniority is more likely to come out in the end w/their job, whether they deserving of it or not.Fair no, life yes!
Posted by: Reality
on Jan 14, 2009 at 10:51 AM
My fiance has been at Cessna for over 11 years. Even though he now has a high position, that does not mean that he is safe. They are going back to various positions that were held during the time you are there and more than likely if you held less that 2 years you will be gone. He for example has held 3 years. So if someone is on the floor and has been there 3 years in one position, they are safer than someone who has been there several years in different positions or grades.
Posted by: Anonymouise not bashing
on Jan 14, 2009 at 10:46 AM
As far as the economy, is NOT just Wichita. All Aircraft is affected, and ALL jobs in the USA are affected. This a Global issue. One of the more safer positions will be in the healthcare field. I don't think aircraft workers, especially Cessna should be bashed. Aircraft does help out our community. But I also think too many people depend and rely on it in Wichita. due to being the Air Capital.
Posted by: j
on Jan 14, 2009 at 10:32 AM
I tried to make that point last week on these comment boards, anonymous, but no body agreed or just yelled that Wichita would be fine. Which I am sure it will, but it will suffer a pretty big black eye! People do not realize the effect that big companies have on a town. You have to cut back in times like these, not only for those that are laid off but those that are suppliers to companies that lay off! Wake up people!
Posted by: usar
Location: ict
on Jan 14, 2009 at 10:23 AM
The Army Reserves will pay 15k lump sum for new enlistment. The age barrier has been extended to 42 and some felonies will be waived. Become a true citizen and learn a vital job skill. We need more bullet sponges.
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 14, 2009 at 07:54 AM
I work for a smaller aerospace company and our biggest customer (money wise) is Cessna, with these lay-offs comes word here that a lot of our programs are going to be put on hold or canceled, which will surely lead to lost jobs here as well. So as you can see, the lay-offs don;t just affect Cessna workers, it affects most of the sub-tier companies in Wichita as well. We are all just going to have to buckle down and brace ourselves for a very rough year and hope for a econimic upswing as soon as possible.
Posted by: lac
Location: wichita
on Jan 13, 2009 at 09:18 PM
wow this is realy sad the only thing any1 shud be commenting is how sorry they are that the economy in wichita is going straight to hell. i work there and have already been thru a layoff its sad and depressing. the whole usa is being affected by loss of jobs. its sad for every single family that goes thru this type of crisis. i hope that making awful comments helps you feel better about yourself.i for one am keeping the faith for myself and my fellow brothers and sisters at cessna, hawker, boeing, and spirit! and for every other person in the us that recieves a pink slip have a goodnight
Posted by: Michael
Location: Wichita
on Jan 13, 2009 at 06:24 PM
So.. does this mean cessna has to pay up quicker for their new citation service area since they are reducing and not adding jobs??
Posted by: mike
Location: wichita
on Jan 13, 2009 at 05:47 PM
General Aviation is absolutely vital to the economic stability of Kansas and our nation, as a whole. Specifically, general aviation contributes more than $150 billion to the U.S. economy annually and employs more than 1,265,000 people. In 2007, U.S. general aviation airplane manufacturers delivered over 3,279 airplanes to customers in the United States and abroad. The total value of these aircraft was close to $11.9B of which 38.4 percent were exported. The general aviation industry is one of the few remaining domestic manufacturing industries that maintains a positive trade balance for the United States.now look at what skilled aircraft workers do for the economy.not just for this city but the nation as a whole.now you want to laugh and say we are getting what we deserve.think with the loss of these jobs who else is going to suffer as well because when the aircraft worker is not able to spend money other businesses will have no choice but to lay-off as well. just watch the news.
Posted by: To Michelle
on Jan 13, 2009 at 04:58 PM
Not all of Hawker walked the picket line. Alot were very happy with their pay. Although the benefits were not great, they still crossed because they are happy with their company. It saddens me that a fellow "aircrafter" could think that we all want royalties! We don't, we want a job, with decent pay and good benefits, just like you! Furthermore, Cessna is owned by a very different type of company with different values. Although I like Hawker, I do not believe they have loyalty to their workers the way that Cessna does. That is probably why Cessna has not had a strike. They seem very happy with their company and benefits and pay.
Posted by: Michelle
on Jan 13, 2009 at 03:21 PM
If you don't work in aircraft, you have no idea how hard it can be. Most of you people that are making these off the wall comments, work in heated and air conditioned places. When the temp outside is 95 degrees you can bet inside at Cessna on the floor it's about 115 degrees. I have worked at Cessna for 12 years and we have never once striked. Yes, we get good benefits and good pay and maybe a free turkey at Thanksgiving, but come on...Cessna employees don't expect all the "royalties" like Hawker and Boeing/Spirit. I can't say I love my job, but I am thankful for it. My family and I are just crossing our fingers and hoping for the best. My thoughts and prayers go out to all the Cessna employess and thier families right now.This is a scary time for our economy. I too would decline a raise for the next couple of years just to keep my job.
Posted by: been there
Location: wichita kansas
on Jan 13, 2009 at 02:38 PM
It is a good thing Textron isn't here in our plants they would see how lazy people are, spend 30 minutes in the bathroom, wonder around the plant, use PSL to go play in softball games, use sick leave because it is too hot. Thank God Textron is not here to see our habits, I'm on company time right now ha-ha!!
Posted by: looking in
Location: wichita kansas
on Jan 13, 2009 at 02:33 PM
Mr. Schuster makes $650,000 because he is an educated man with many responsibilities not a high school drop out that hides behind the union to keep a job a monkey could do for $22.00 an hour. maybe this layoff will allow time to go get an education
Posted by: Amy
Location: Coffeyville, KS
on Jan 13, 2009 at 01:40 PM
I see everyone fighting about how much the people at Cessna make. It really saddens me. The Independence plant was not a union plant and the employees are not protected by a union at all. My husband has worked for that plant for several years and has the education and prior experience of some higher paid individuals. Yet, he was only making $13.00 an hour. We don't drive fancy cars. We don't have $250,000 homes. We are hard working Americans just like the rest of you, trying to take care of our families and pay our bills. Please do not assume that because someone works for Cessna that they are 'rich' or that they get paid top dollar for their work. It just isn't true.
Posted by: Amy
Location: Coffeyville, KS
on Jan 13, 2009 at 01:34 PM
I am the wife of an Independence Cessna employee. We have two small children that we both work hard to provide for. My husband thought his job was secure, at least more secure than most jobs, but now we are really scared of what the future holds. We won't be able to make it on just my income alone. What a rotten way to treat your loyal employees!
Posted by: Jim
Location: Providence,RI
on Jan 13, 2009 at 01:00 PM
I blame Cessna's parent, Textron, here in RI. Textron runs a bloated corporate operation and does NOT know what WICHITANS do: this is a highly CYCLICAL business. Most Cessna workers prepare for bad times, Textron does NOT. If Textron ran a tight ship in great times, things would not be so dire in tough times. They should have never expanded Textron Financial-- AND the Government nailed them for big problems at Bell Helicopter. Trust me, the problem is NOT just a soft biz jet market. Cessna is paying the price for its parents company-wide mismanagement. All the best to you GREAT workers
Posted by: Worker
Location: wichita
on Jan 13, 2009 at 12:56 PM
the vp of hr at hawker makes over $290,000 he should take a paycut, Schuster makes over $650,000 and should take a pay cut. Start at the top. People who work hard should be kept, those who slack should be let go.
Posted by: ElizabethW
Location: Wichita
on Jan 13, 2009 at 11:08 AM
I am a wife of a Cessna employee and we are keeping our fingers crossed. My husband has never been worried about his job until now, and I am afraid for our city and the economy. I am praying for everyone in this difficult time.
Posted by: Mark
Location: Wichita
on Jan 13, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Outside, de-burr persons hiring in at Spirit, what is left of them, do not make much more than $10.00 an hour. Just goes to show how out of touch you really are. So before you make your uneducated remarks, try doing your homework first. Not all aircraft jobs pay the good wages, depends what area the employee is in. I am prepared to take a big cut when I get laid off, that is what a non-union job will do for any of us, low wages, and no benefits.
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 13, 2009 at 10:12 AM
We are thankful of what we have! And not all those that went on strike were there for the money! They were there for the benefits and other things that they were taking away. People get so mad at our wages yet I bet you would be on the other side if were making the kind of money that aircraft manufacturing brings! So aircraft is where the money is, get over it! They are also a dang fine group of hardworking people! That enjoy their job, the money and supporting their families! I just pray for those that are in jobs that are supported by the "highly paid" aircraft workers! I hope they are able to handle it as well!
Posted by: Outside In
Location: wichita
on Jan 13, 2009 at 10:11 AM
Instead of buying $40,000 new cars and trucks or the $250,000 home with no furniture and save it live like there is a chance for layoffs. Greed is a huge issue with people that have no education and just start out making lots of money. I grew up in Union households for 20 years and my family was prepared it is part of the ANIMAL. When you come to me for an interview without an education and your skill set is sheet metal worker or deburrer be prepared to take a $10.00 dollar an hour pay cut like the rest of Wichita averages for non aircraft jobs.
Posted by: LA
on Jan 13, 2009 at 09:09 AM
For those of you whining about how much we make in aircraft, I encourage you to walk into the plant and perform some of the skills that we do. It takes alot of skill and time to do what we do. I work hard for every penny I make, thats more than I can say for you.
Posted by: T
Location: Iraq
on Jan 13, 2009 at 09:02 AM
I tried to get a job with Cessna back in the early 80s but didn't get hired so I joined the Active Army and in 5 years will retire with 30 years of Military service and receive a retirement check and health care the rest of my life. Although they say the average life expectance is ony like 10 years after retirement but that's ok with me. I have traveled the world and my wife and kids have been able to share my life and career with me. My point is a better career may be just around the corner for some of those laid off so who knows this may be a blessing.
Posted by: Mark
Location: Wichita
on Jan 13, 2009 at 08:56 AM
OMG, what would the US ecomomy be like if we all only made miminum wage or less? I think we are slowly getting there. If not for the high paying UNION aircraft jobs here in Wichita, this dump of a city would be a stinking ghost town. These union contracts are not about getting more, it is about keeping what we have fought for, and not going backwards. And that my friends is exactly what is going on, the wages and benefits are moving backwards at a fast pace. Last time I was laid off, I went to work at a place making the same wages I was making back in the late 80's, with NO benefits. You best be careful what you wish for, because if we lose these good paying jobs permanently, Wichita, and the state of Kansas will be severely damaged. The state is already crying because of a shortfall of tax money being brought in, think what would happen if all the aircraft money went away!
Posted by: Elizabeth
Location: Wichita
on Jan 13, 2009 at 08:40 AM
OK, here's an oldie but goodie: let's do away with ALL bonuses & raises, especially for mid-to-upper management, and cut out the perks as well. Let's also ask if the union is willing to make ANY concessions at all. Otherwise, my thoughts & prayers are with those who are in line for layoff. We've been there, and it's a tough road to go.
Posted by: annonymous
Location: Hawker
on Jan 13, 2009 at 02:06 AM
Cessna, I'm so sorry and my prayers are with you and your families. We, at Hawker, are to "mirror" your layoffs. I feel really bad for all the businesses. I feel for the waitress that needs some of the 4000 employees tips to feed her kids. I feel for the charities that we support that help keep the 'not so fortunate' clothes and fed and warm. God help us all. We need lots of prayers.
Posted by: BodyBuilder
Location: Wichita
on Jan 13, 2009 at 12:58 AM
When time has come it'll come. Not just Cessna but other aircraft companies out there as well. But Cessna was treating their employees well than Hawker. So let's moving on to the plan B. Thanks God for what he has given us and happy with what we have right now.
Posted by: Maybe I Misunderstood
Location: wichita
on Jan 12, 2009 at 10:39 PM
I have always believed that aircraft workers made excellent money, had great benefits and yet they always wanted more of everything. I have always thought they should be thankful for what they do have as that is certainly alot better than what alot of other workers in the city deal with. Whether I am right or wrong, I would just like to say to all those being laid off, I am sorry for your situations and know there are many others in the U.S. in your situation. I know that God will not give any of us anymore than we can handle and He is in control. God Bless All of You.
Posted by: Faithfender
Location: Wichita
on Jan 12, 2009 at 09:01 PM
Hey Cessnans & other Wichita planemakers, I salute you and wish you the best. I'm not an aircraft worker but know a lot of you. My neighbors are aircraft employees.. some on the floors.. some in engineering offices. But they're all good neighbors and fine Wichitans. I've lived here long enough to know the cycles which go along with not only aviation but manufacturing in general. Unlike the south,(thank God), the aviation industry will rise again and people will get rehired. Hang tough and keep the faith.
Posted by: Neal
Location: Wichita
on Jan 12, 2009 at 07:47 PM
You same commenters are probable receiving assistance from united way programs, look at how much money is going to be lost from layed off workers.
Posted by: Me
Location: Wichita
on Jan 12, 2009 at 07:38 PM
The workers are not about hourly rate increases, even though the union may be. The battles over the last decade in aircraft and manufacturing jobs has been the struggle to maintain a responsible and quality healthcare product for our families? What is wrong with that? Is this not what the Country is in desperate need of and that the majority of hard working Americans lack, regardless of income? So, what is the problem? I would gladly forego Cost of Living increases to maintain the present Health Insurance plan the we have.
Posted by: me
Location: wichita
on Jan 12, 2009 at 07:31 PM
Come on guys; surely you do not believe that the union workers, particularly within a company not facing contract negotiations, is resposible for this...?
Posted by: Drew
Location: ICT
on Jan 12, 2009 at 07:12 PM
Mike is the man
Posted by: Faithful Cessnan
on Jan 12, 2009 at 06:30 PM
I agree with everything mike said, you don't see us aircraft workers blaming you for the price increase on big mac's at McDonalds...
Posted by: mike
Location: wichita
on Jan 12, 2009 at 05:51 PM
we all know the risks as well as the rewards for being in aircraft.but for you morons that want to bash us. you need to think how much the major aircraft workers put back into this community through the countless jobs that are added ,the money we put back into our community with our chairty donations and the jobs that are created through all of this.it is said it is beter to sit back and say nothing and look like a idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. the strike or strikes did not cause these lay-offs listen to the news. the economy in a whole is in trouble and that is going to cause alot of hardship on everyone including you idiots that keep blaming the airsraft worker.so before you post another idiotic comment sit back and think about it before you remove all doubt.
Posted by: Anonymous
Location: Kansas
on Jan 12, 2009 at 05:42 PM
Funny thing, yeah Hawker went on strike, but like always people thought it was for the money...... If you were an employee at that time at Hawker you would have known it was more about what the company wanted to take away, benefit wise is why we went on strike. Talk down on Hawker employees, go ahead. But maybe you should all get the facts straight when it comes to the reasoning of our strike. I hate people that talk out their @$$!!!!
Posted by: me
Location: Wichita
on Jan 12, 2009 at 05:40 PM
It will be a difficult time for all industries local and abroad. Now is not a good time to waste energy placing blame. All stakeholders equally are to blame The union may desire to negotiate CEO pay concessions prior to lay off implemetations; in the next contract. Give them COLA instead, the hard working taxpayer could use the tax table break in April.
Posted by: john
on Jan 12, 2009 at 05:38 PM
First off...I am very sorry to everyone who will lose their job at Cessna...my prayers are with you and your families in these trying times. I am sure most of you do not deserve to lose your jobs and you do honestly put in a hard days work... what makes me ill is that some of you will lose your jobs to union "bumping" by "older","lazier" union employees who have been in the system and know how to game it. I do have compassion and I am sorry...as long as you are not one of the "older", "lazier" union employees...in which case....
Posted by: Jennifer
on Jan 12, 2009 at 04:33 PM
I am a wife of a Cessna employee. My husband has been with Cessna for almost 13 years and never once has Cessna been on strike. Please, get all your facts straight before attacking the Cessna families. We are not Boeing or Hawker. This is a very trying time...for everyone.
Posted by: Anonymous
Location: wichita
on Jan 12, 2009 at 03:43 PM
My prayers out to all of those Cessna employees that are affected by the lay-off. This such a hard hit to our community.May they all recover quickly.
Posted by: Wayne
Location: Wichita
on Jan 12, 2009 at 03:13 PM
Those that do not understand the significance of a strike need to stay off the keyboard in the comments section...
Posted by: hawkerwife
on Jan 12, 2009 at 02:28 PM
My thoughts and prayers go out to all the families that are affected by this! I hope and pray that everyone can get through this tough time.
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 12, 2009 at 02:22 PM
wow....
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 12, 2009 at 02:13 PM
All of the employees need prayer during this troubled time
Posted by: Michele
Location: Wichita
on Jan 12, 2009 at 02:00 PM
Some people are such idiots! Cessna never did strike. Get a freaking job instead of looking online and writing stupid comments all day!
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 12, 2009 at 01:57 PM
I find it very interesting that so many people bash the wages. I, too, believe it is people that have tried to get on there or are very jealous of family or friends that work there. It is a high paying job, and most of the men are very hardworking, very skilled and put in an honest days work! Just because they get paid more for that, does not mean you get to slap them in the face!
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 12, 2009 at 01:44 PM
Why is everyone so bitter about what aircraft workers get paid, because they possibly couldn't get hired there. Most of these workers work a lot of hours and are skilled laborers. I doubt anyone would turn down a higher salary for doing their job if it was offered to them. Some skilled laborers are paid more then others that is just the way it is. I don't work for an aircraft company, I know a lot of people that do and NO ONE, not even aircraft workers should have to worry about how they are going to feed their families. Show some compassion.
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 12, 2009 at 01:33 PM
What are you talking about picket lines you idiot, we did not srtike. This is a Cessna story not a Hawker or Boeing story.
Posted by: Amy
on Jan 12, 2009 at 01:33 PM
This is going to really hurt a lot of people. I think it's very nasty of you ANONYMOUS. You're making idiotic comments too. Striking didn't cause them to lay off. The fact that the ENTIRE economy is in a huge down slump IS!! I'm guessing you tried to get a job at some of the local Aviation businesses and you weren't hired. That explains your sour comments!
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 12, 2009 at 01:32 PM
For the anonymous at 1:13PM, I work at Cessna and for your INFO, I have been out there 10 years and for all the contracts I've been there for we have not STRIKED!!!! so get your facts straight.
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 12, 2009 at 01:32 PM
I don't think Cessna did that. I believe that was Hawker and Boeing the had a strike!
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 12, 2009 at 01:29 PM
CESSNA EMPLOYEES DID NOT STRIKE. Get your facts straight before you decide to write something.
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 12, 2009 at 01:13 PM
Hit the picket lines again, folks, so you can demand even higher salaries. Maybe that will solve your problem. Oops, THAT'S KINDA WHY YOUR IN THIS SITUATION IN THE FIRST PLACE!
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 12, 2009 at 01:05 PM
Better strike somemore......
Posted by: J
on Jan 12, 2009 at 01:03 PM
And it begins! This is so sad for the families, as well as the Wichia economy!
Posted by: K
Location: Wichita
on Jan 12, 2009 at 12:46 PM
WOW, lots of people and families affected, not good. |
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Huh caring citizen? I understand people care about the job losses but really, do you think we care about so dumba@@ stupervisor trying to save face by denying he said something crazy? My god, stupervisors are always saying dumb stuff and then denying it because they are cowards. Just once I would have loved to hear a stupervisor take blame for something, anything. My guess is you're reeling from all the guilt you feel from having to lay off the 60 percent of your crew that actually worked. Good luck sir filling all those orders when the times change.......trophy wife is calling, have to run............LIVING A DREAM BOYS, LIVING A DREAM..........
No need to elaberate on the issue-Donny VS. Another KM VS. CJ-5---People do care about this or they would not be reading it or taking their time to comment...As for names--If one name it used then maybe another should be--none the less this as a compliment, good feedback, and great information. Famous saying "Stay focused" end of disscusion have a great day! P.S. One thing to know...There is no CJ-5 and no one is alone.
Well another km, if you didn't say it why would you worry about it? I'm assuming you're a stupervisor and "think" you have a reputation to uphold but do you really think anyone on this board cares about something you did or didn't say? Only a "real-life" idiot would say, "it is like a forest fire, the forest is getting rid of all the trash.....The problem with the saying is this, in reality-all the old, half-dead, do nothing, worthless trees are being saved from the fire while the young, strong, vibrant, hardworking trees are being cut. When the smoke clears all your left with is a old, outdated, half-dead, non-working forest. That forest is what we now call Cessna and there will come a time when stupervisors need those young hardworking trees back and by then they will have found another forest to roam....but I can tell by your analogy that you're probably a blackbelt and probably know EVERYTHING....trophywife is calling, have to run....
To CJ-5 This is the second request that if possible you identify {KM} I too have those initials and do not want to be connected with your quote from a supervisor-after all you already named a VP so why not.
We aren't even numbers anymore. we are now "business decisions" the last round was done to help keep the doors open,or that's what my mgr. told me as they were wiping out my dept.IF that's the case I can come up with a list for next time,and you can bet your bottom dollar all of them would have black belt or mgr. after their name. in between those idiots and the almighty s.a.p system that doesn't work, we'll all be lucky to have a job a month from now.
Yep that is how they feel about all their people .We are a number like a prison. They will pay for the mass layoffs that they have done. They have layed off to many people and most will not be back at Cessna. They will have a long term setback. They had problems finding skilled workers over hte last several years and now they will have a harder time replacing them when they need them.
Well Well Well, Here it is July and Cessna has laid off more good people and is looking at sending more out the door.. Why has Cessna "Preserved" those that do nothing, meaning all of the Black Belts that really contribute nothing. They schedule meetings to have meetings and walk around just saying "Yes, Cub that is a great Idea, That is a tremendous idea!" I just spoke to gentleman who is 61 years old worked at Cessna for 20 years and they laid him off, why? because as one supervisor {KM} put it..It is like a forest fire...the forest is getting rid of all the trash..this is how they really feel about us.
Thats because Indy is nonunion and do not have a contract and make way less than the unionized part of Cessna..
My spouse has worked for Cessna at the Indy Plant for 13 years. I know Cessna has not been on strike for the last 13 years.
Michele!! Most people ARE!! trying to find a job!! but unlike you they are not doing it on there back!!!
So much animosity and so little compassion. Ive been at Cessna 10 yrs worked the floor and now salaried. So far thank God still have job. I will simply say that perhaps better corporate governance could have kept SOME jobs from being lost, but the sad truth is that the whole wall street GREED machine is what got us here. EW ALL CONTRIBUTED TO THE MESS, EVERY STINKIN' ONE OF US! I hope we have learned a lesson. I agree that Textron is run by FAT CATS who care little about those who REALLY make the money for the company. They should take hits just like the rest of us. My prayers to those who have been affected. I will continue to donate to charity, put money into the local economy, and help my brothers and sisters whenever and however I can. We need more coming together, not all the hate.
the past 2 thursdays cessna has hit us up with bad news lets declare thursdays as wear your nut cup day ( sick of getting kicked in the nuts )
Cessna is also laying off an additional 13% to 18% within the next 2 - 3 weeks.
They are also going to a three day work week eight hours per day beginning middle of February.
Virginia, you sound like a bitter ex-wife. I'm sure you didn't mind your husband being a greedy aircraft worker when he was bringing that money home to you. Maybe you should have used some of it to go back to school so you could learn how to write. Have you ever heard of punctuation? Cessna hasn't had a strike in years. Boeing and HBC do it a heck of a lot more.