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Cuts Expected At Cessna, Hawker Beechcraft
Two Wichita planemakers are expected to reduce their workforces. Reporter: Chris FrankEmail Address: chris.frank@kake.com |
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Posted by: me
Location: wichita
on Jan 8, 2009 at 03:38 PM
Anonymous, you have some attitude problem, which may be why you don't work for the big B anymore. If you think that Wichita is the sum of cattle and fail to see the importance of the air capital city or the progress that has been mad with the industry as well as the other industries then you are the undereducated 3rd grader. LOL. Get on down the road with your 3x salary....
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 8, 2009 at 03:32 PM
To, Anonymous on Jan 8, 2009 at 03:21 PM; My comments about FACTS has absolutly nothing to due with wages (in fact I make almost 3X min) it is about some earlier comment about how Aircraft built Wichita - IT DID NOT!!!
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 8, 2009 at 03:21 PM
AWWWW...look..the minimum wage people are mad because they won't strive for a better job! I do not for one minute believe that those on minimum wage or whatever can not strive one way or another for a better paying job, whether it be easy or hard. And I am so sorry that we had the common sense to get good jobs with good benefits. Layoffs or not, bottom line, aircraft is where the money is. If you don't want to risk it and try to get on at a place similar to that, then keep flipping your burgers and quit hating on the ones who do make more money! I think it makes you a little happy to think that a good family man/woman, who makes good money and lives in a nice home, might lose their jobs. Is that what it is? Perhaps I struck a nerve?? You know what...teachers, fireman, cops...they all wanted to do that career and they knew from day one in college what the pay would be. It's their choice, just like its yours to get a better paying job if you so desire!
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 8, 2009 at 03:13 PM
Oh come on, lighten up! HUBBY! And if you want everyone to check their spelling, then do us a favor and work on your grammar and capitalization!
Posted by: jj
Location: wichita
on Jan 8, 2009 at 02:48 PM
Anonymous, wake up add up minimum wage there are still people working for $300.00 a week on minimum wage and doing alot more than a wiring harness. Get a clue we all need to be treated fairly, that means people making 50,000 and the ones making 25,000 for the same job. How about cops. teachers, or fireman. most less than 50,000 and not putting in a few rivets.
Posted by: common sense
on Jan 8, 2009 at 02:41 PM
come on people! if you're going to post something please spell check it! spelling errors only make you look like a complete idiot who doesn't know what they're talking about. also, i hate it when a woman refers to her husband as "hubby".... that seems rather trashy.
Posted by: For your enjoyment
on Jan 8, 2009 at 02:27 PM
Yes I have my husband make all my decisions for me because I am an uneducated housewife, oh wait, maybe not I did spell decision right, idiot! The point of all this, as well as other comments; Wichita has evolved into an aircraft community. It starts with a few layoffs, then more, then more. The thing here is we don't know if it will continue. Do you realize, honestly, if Hawker and Cessna were to layoff enough, it would be possible that the town would turn to just that..a town. No big shopping malls, no fun things to do...because no one will be here or be able to afford it. That's all I am saying. GEEZ! Everything has a domino effect. For example, gas prices go up, freight goes up and Wal-Mart prices go up. See my point. Job loss=hang on to money; don't splurge on things at Wal-Mart, dinners out, etc. Bottom line, it will be bad no matter how many and to what extent the layoffs are. For the community and the family! Boy people read a lot into these comments.
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 8, 2009 at 02:02 PM
To, TOANONYMOUS, yea you have your husband make your desicions for you dear - that will probably be best for your family...lol...lol...lol. You ALL seem to be missing my point. If you are going to scream that the sky is falling than make sure that the FACTS you spew forth are ACURATE!!! That and that alone is/was my point!!! How about a few more responses, this is getting fun...;-)
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 8, 2009 at 01:47 PM
Sorry I am not a history major and do not know the exacts of Wichita history, however, I believe that aircraft made it what it is today, along with a few other industries here. Although, and please correct me if I am wrong, aircraft is now the biggest industry here in Wichita! All this aside, Cessna and Hawker are looking at about 3000 job layoffs between the two....at this time. Do you not think this will affect other jobs; other industries here? Do you not think that some of those people will leave the community all together to look for work elsewhere? The point is, it is going to cause a downfall of Wichita if it continues. And besides aircraft and cattle, what industry do we have to keep it alive here?? I am at a loss on that one!
Posted by: TOANONYMOUS
on Jan 8, 2009 at 01:25 PM
Exactly why are we called the "AIR CAPITAL OF THE WORLD"? Where do you think we will be if aircraft goes under? Where will your job be? Do you work in an industry that serves over 1/2 of Wichita? If so then if the aircraft goes in the toilet so will your job! And I don't think cattle and what not is going to help us now...that industry is going down as well with the economy, but I will check with my Hawker hubby when he gets home from work and see if he wants to buy some cows if gets laid off! Thanks for the tip!
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 8, 2009 at 01:24 PM
You two obviously missed my point on history...lol...lol...lol, that 3RD GRADER comment was rich indeed, riding cattle or riding brooms(lol, not acurate). However the FACT remains Aircraft DID NOT build this city and IT WILL remain long after it is gone. I spent 8.5 yrs at the BIG B, and the mentality of you aircraft employees never ceases to humor and amaze me. To be so FULL of yourselves to believe that Wichita will fall if you lose your jobs is more entertaining to me than HBO. Keep up the uninformed ingnorant posts - PLEASE. I love to laugh at you. Oh, and ACTION caps are for yelling or making a point. When you post your entire comment in caps it makes you look like an uniformed idiot - oh wait you are an uninformed idiot...;-)
Posted by: hawkerwife
Location: Augusta
on Jan 8, 2009 at 12:37 PM
My husband has been at hawker for ten years and went threw a lay off for a full year and we had two young children at the time, not to mention I was a stay at home mom. We managed to make it threw that year. That being said I know that we will be ok if it happens again. I guess you just get used to the rumors and lay offs at some point.I do pray that it doesn't happen, It can be very scarey to think about bills and your children but you have to have faith and work threw it.I just don't understand how people can have an opinion about hawker workers when they don't even know them and how the company works.Maybe those of you who leave negative comments should use that energy to better yourselves instead of running down people who are trying to better themselves..
Posted by: me
Location: wichita
on Jan 8, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Anonymous, you are right. The problem is that the people of the city of Wichita have evolved past riding cattle and brooms, but I guess that we can do it again... But why on earth are you wishing so hard that we do?
Posted by: ACTION
Location: WICHITA
on Jan 8, 2009 at 12:09 PM
TO ANONYMOUS: YES THEIR WERE COWS HERE BEFORE AIRCRAFT YES AND THE CITY POPULATION WAS WHAT 60000. I KNOW ALOT MORE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE PLANE INDUSTRY THEN IN THE MILKING INDUSTRY. YOUR COMMENT MUST BE FROM A 3RD GRADER DOING A REPORT ON THE HISTORY OF WICHITA. IF THE PLANES GO THE JOBS GO AND THE PEOPLE GO. THERE MIGHT BE ENOUGH PEOPLE LEFT TO MILK A COW OR THOUGH CHILDREN CAN DO THAT TOO
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 8, 2009 at 11:48 AM
tojealouspeeps - you should check your history. Wichita was established as a city LONG before man every flew. Hence AIRCRAFT DID NOT build Wichita. Cattle, brooms and various other items were made and moved through here LONG before AIRPLANES were even invented - so nice try. Wichita was here long before aircraft and will remain even if we lose ALL aircraft manufacturing. TRY AGAIN!!! But this time be accurate with your comments.
Posted by: me
Location: wichita
on Jan 8, 2009 at 11:32 AM
The anger towards the union is misdirected. I have never been pro-union, until now. I watched as Congress grilled the Big 3 and the Union Boss stating that the workers and the CEO's needed to make a commitment to concessions if they were to assist the Co's. However, no other stakeholders had to make any kind of commitments. This occurred at the same time that they were voting to give judges an increase across the boards.I guesstimate around 1B dollars. The Government is in deep as well, where are their concessions to balance their own budgets? They are so willing to cut programs; but no concessions, no layoffs (in fact new administrations, new positions, and overseers). Maybe they could just stop overpaying for things with taxpayers dollars and foregoing their individual bonus' from those vendors for their improper management of taxpayer money.
Posted by: Quigley
Location: Wichita
on Jan 8, 2009 at 11:27 AM
To those of you who are facing layoffs, my good thoughts & prayers are with you. I've been in your shoes, and they are not fun!
Posted by: me
Location: wichita
on Jan 8, 2009 at 11:04 AM
I believe that it will be difficult for all workers, not just aircraft. With the rising costs of essentials,medical care, minimal savings, and the values lost in retirement accounts- it isn't cushy for anyone. As for the wages-well, let us say that the tax scale levels the paying fields (so there is no need to assume a much larger take home for the union workers). Millionaires and Billionaires are buckling and committing suicide over total financial depletion. What makes you assume that a 20.00 dollar an hour union job (or even more) can solve those families problems? Let us not lose sight that we are all in financial trouble, and not to assume that people making a higher negotiated wage is immune to financial hardships. As I said, the tax scale is designed to adjust the take home pays of these individuals and it will surprise you to know that as a result -the net pay (take home)is not that much different.
Posted by: Dj
Location: ict
on Jan 8, 2009 at 10:47 AM
I find it interesting that, during the strike, the workers were all over these opinion boards scoffing about how the planes weren't being built and almost enjoying their negative impact on HBC. Now they're paying the price of cancelled orders due to downturns in the economy. I honestly feel bad about ANYONE being laid off at this time, but I also think the Union and its members really should learn to appreciate the jobs they have and quit complaining about their pay scales right now. This is the time to ride it out and be thankful for what you have. The strike was foolish. Not only did employees lose money by not working, but now they're being hit again by layoffs. Nice move, Union heads. The whole world can clearly see how much your workers DON'T mean to you. One of these days the workers are going to wake up and see you as the "Financial Institution" you are, and quit allowing you to use them for your parasitic ways.
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 8, 2009 at 10:37 AM
I can honestly say that my family is not greedy. My husband started out in the aircraft industry years ago when the wage was 300 a week! Yea, real greedy! It was an available job that he was qualified for! I guess if you want to call getting merit raises for a job well done back in the day greed, then I guess go ahead. They stopped doing those years ago. It’s people like MOMINKS and JJ that have no idea how it works, why people work there and what life is like on the inside. I have been through it my whole life. Lay off scares, raises, changes…you guys don’t know jack about it and why our men and women work there. Any job has the potential for layoffs, cutbacks and so forth. And if it were not for aircraft not a lot of people woul have jobs in Wichita!
Posted by: JJ
Location: wichita
on Jan 8, 2009 at 10:02 AM
Things just have a way of evening out. you can't expect to be a plant laborer and make more than 15.00 per hour. it's a good job for a high school kid or a college student. not everyone can expect to make 30-35 per hour for labor work.
Posted by: tojealouspeeps
on Jan 8, 2009 at 09:58 AM
You know that the aircraft industry makes Wichita. Do you realize that you want what Wichita was built on to be laid off or make less money?? What happens to the QT worker, the waiter, the restaurant owner, the hair salon owner, the night clubs, the liquor store owner and all those who work in industries similar to this!? What happens to you? If aircraft goes under in Wichita, as you all that are not related to it want, what happens to those people? Do you think they are going to keep their jobs? Do you think if they cut the "BIG MONEY MAKING" aircraft workers wages that those people will keep their jobs. DONT THINK SO! So you go ahead and slam our wages and "cushy" jobs, but hope you hang on to yours if we go under! The economy sucks no matter what you do for a living. Education and healthcare are among those that are somewhat in the clear. But I guarantee that if the aircraft industry goes under in Wichita, your economy will suck even more here!
Posted by: Surprised
Location: Wichita
on Jan 8, 2009 at 09:56 AM
I am really surprised how negative people can be towards others that may lose their jobs. People work in this industry because it pays well and has great benefits. People do these jobs because they want to ensure the health and well being of their families. How about we all try showing some compassion for the many families that this layoff may affect. These people are not greedy they are taking care of themselves and their families.
Posted by: JJ
Location: wichita
on Jan 8, 2009 at 09:31 AM
To Mom..........Maybe we should reconsider making, $20.00 to $25.00 for putting in a wiring harness, GET REAL!!!! You guys get way to much O.T. and are way overpaid, GREED will catch up. Enjoy your break from all that overtime!!!
Posted by: TO MOM
on Jan 8, 2009 at 08:43 AM
Aww..It’s so sad you are so jealous of the aircraft workers! Not everyone will get laid off sweetie, we just have to wait and see. But we will pray for those that do, we understand where they are coming from. Why don't you find another board to bellyache on and leave this one to the knowledgeable aircraft workers and wives...you know..the ones that live it and breathe it everyday! And have for their whole lives! But we really do appreciate your concern! Thanks! :)
Posted by: mominks
Location: Not jealous
on Jan 8, 2009 at 01:36 AM
And not concerned. Glad my husband never got a job there, almost everyone we know who works for the aircraft industry constantly stresses about being laid off. They sure live it up when they are making $$ for doing blue collar work. Then they boo hoo when their job is gone. It's the nature of the beast, and I have no sympathy. If you can't afford to set money aside when you are making it, then you should have another plan for when you get laid off - because it WILL happen!
Posted by: concerned
Location: local
on Jan 7, 2009 at 09:46 PM
Has Cessna been asked to pay back the money they got from the city, county and/or State? Why is Indy still missing the layoffs?
Posted by: Zarquawi
Location: Gidyupville, KS
on Jan 7, 2009 at 07:38 PM
Good thing I am not in Kansas anymore!! Try helping each other instead of bashing one another for once...
Posted by: john
Location: wichita
on Jan 7, 2009 at 07:05 PM
Mr. X I totally agree with you but you can't argue with John...he is a "proud union member" who knows everything and works real hard. He has a great education and can run any aircraft company better than anyone in management. His 30 year experience in aviation qualifies his opinion...I think I read it on his vest last summer striking while he wasn't working and begging for more money and better benefits? Inflated wages, inflated housing costs, and overall "greed" has finally caught up with America in general and led to the current economic downfall. Hawker and Cessna are doing all they can to just "survive" this economic downturn. I will step out on a limb and say that most laid off workers would take a wage concession instead of a lay off...but the proud union says...NO. Buckle your seat belt...this is going to be a very bumpy flight...except for those who are sleeping and yet to wake up.
Posted by: Jester
Location: wichita
on Jan 7, 2009 at 06:25 PM
I think many of you have very good points, yet I just want to make it clear that to think that these jobs will magically reappear simply because they have in the past is far from wise. What happens when unemployment just runs out? The wichita eagle had maybe a total of 2 pages for jobs on sunday! retirements have drained and it can't get much worse than this. We need answers, and we need them soon. We can't all work for McDonalds or habitat for humanity, and this town still doesn't believe in wind power so our ignorance is going play a factor in this too.
Posted by: To Mad
Location: Wichita
on Jan 7, 2009 at 05:51 PM
Hey Mad, all pam was trying to say is that her husband got cheated. They did the same thing to my dad years ago. He was laid off for three years, worked three jobs anywhere from at the liquor store to construction. When Cessna did finally get him in for an interview. They offered him a lower job than what he was at and it was a pay but of close to 15 dollars. Thats all she was meaning by her comment.
Posted by: N/A
Location: N/A
on Jan 7, 2009 at 05:43 PM
Mr. X sounds like a manager at cessna.
Posted by: John
Location: Wichita
on Jan 7, 2009 at 05:32 PM
I just love to hear about people who are jelous of the aircraft worker that makes $30.00 an hour. Where do people get this number at I have worked at Cessna 30 years and have yet to make $30.00 an hour. I belong to the union and recieve all the great benefits but people should set back and realize that aviation is what makes Wichita what it is. Now there are employees who make $30.00 an hour in aircraft and if that makes you feel under paid maybe you should look for a new job!! Everybody picks their career I picked mine and have done it for 30 years been laid off twice and furloughed 4 times brought back to work every time. People should start pointing the finger where it belongs the over paid executives who make $500,000-$1,0000,000 a year. NOW THATS WORTH COMPLAINING ABOUT not the employee on the floor making $40,000-$50,000 a year tring to put their kids through school and or college and tring to live the American dream. Proud to work at Cessna and proud to be UNION!!!!
Posted by: Mr.X
Location: Wichita
on Jan 7, 2009 at 04:55 PM
I don't get it. I believe letting people know ahead of time that more layoffs are coming is the right thing to do. That way if you were planning to spend some money in some house project or trip, now you know you may want to hold off on it. I think Cessna has been a responsible employer and has tried to minimize the impact as much as possible. Blaming Jack Pelton won't get you anywhere... he is not responsible for this world financial crisis or the recession. He is not the one keeping banks from lending people money to buy planes. I'm thankful I have a job... Cessna or any other employer for that matter is not obligated to employ any of us, just to pay for the services we provide them.
Posted by: Mad
Location: wichita
on Jan 7, 2009 at 04:54 PM
Pam it seems like ur husband just didnt want to work there anymore because he could have gone back to production. and I have only been at cessna for 3 years and i will tell u no one makes 8 dollars an hour u start out making 13 or 14 dollars an hour so get off ur pitty party, we all have hard luck some times. God doesn't give us more then we can handle..
Posted by: TO MOM IN KS
on Jan 7, 2009 at 04:52 PM
I hear that a lot from people who have tried to get into aircraft and have been unable to. I am a hawker wife. My husband works very hard for his pay. He makes enough so we can live, put food on the table and pay bills just like most people. Aircraft does come with a price. My husband has been there 13 years. Not everyone can put money away for reasons that are their own, so when this stuff hits, it’s hard. But we will survive; our husbands were smart enough to get into a job that was obviously not obtainable for your husband, so if the worst happens, I am sure he will find something else! But thanks for your concern!
Posted by: meme
Location: wichita
on Jan 7, 2009 at 03:00 PM
Cessna has been great to me and my family. I have no complaints and if you dare to work in aviation then it comes with a price. If you do good work then what's the problem.
Posted by: Nice Person
Location: Wichita
on Jan 7, 2009 at 02:51 PM
Dear Pam, I hope things get better for you in the New Year as well as for the rest of Humanity.
Posted by: billybob
Location: ICT
on Jan 7, 2009 at 02:08 PM
Maybe if Jack Pelton took a pay cut Cessna wouldn't need to layoff more employees.....These are new times and require new action.
Posted by: Pam
on Jan 7, 2009 at 01:33 PM
Cancer has wiped out all 401K and now working without any insurance since no one will now insure us-takes all of my income just to buy medication to keep alive and pay for chemo even with cheaper drugs that do not work so well-It would be cheaper to die
Posted by: Erin
Location: Wichita
on Jan 7, 2009 at 01:05 PM
To mominkansas, my husband works in heavy labor area at Cessna, he doesn't make $30/hr and doesn't sit on his butt at his job, he's constatly moving things, going into other areas and using heavy equiptment to get his job done. We have enough to pay all our bills,and put food on the table, and we live in a simple small 3 bedroom house on the east side of town not some fancy house WAY out west. I stay at home with our toddler because we can't afford daycare for me to work... my husband works hard for what he makes, and just because a few people out there sit on their butts, I'd like to see them do what my husband does and survive, I don't think they could.
Posted by: Scott
on Jan 7, 2009 at 12:43 PM
If it wasn't for aircraft, Wichita would not exist!
Posted by: hbc worker
Location: ict
on Jan 7, 2009 at 12:42 PM
it is funny..hbc..has spent money like it is water.....bascially wasted it it...and they announced record profit in Auguts of 08..and now.....i think i smell Corporate Greed......this whole bailout is turning into corparate welfare....Billion dolar food stamps.....
Posted by: hawkerwife
on Jan 7, 2009 at 12:36 PM
My prayers go out to all those being considered at being layed off..hope everything goes well and God Bless!
Posted by: Former HBC
on Jan 7, 2009 at 11:25 AM
HBC is going to do whatever it can to keep it under 500 ppl do avoid giving advance notice. Get rid of the poison at the top. It's funny that the ethics person quit because of all the unethical happenings going on out there. Bravo HBC! Bravo!
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 7, 2009 at 09:24 AM
We had a 20 minute meeting yesterday 2 hours before the news came out with this report, about how we have nothing to worry about and that we don't need to worry about any lay offs....
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 7, 2009 at 08:24 AM
Pam, if he was making 30.00 dollars an hour didn't save up for his retirement? I mean i don't get it, did you both think that someone else was going to take care of your retirement for you? Be for real you have to plan your own retirement in life you can't expect a company to do that for you. So quit blaming the company and take responsiblity for your own actions.
Posted by: To Daniel
on Jan 7, 2009 at 08:21 AM
Not all workers are lazy at Hawker. I will agree that there are some that could use a good lay off pink slip...however, not all are bad. And its sad, these days if you have a degree in anything to get a good job in Wichita! That is why I went back to college!!
Posted by: mominkansas
Location: butler county
on Jan 7, 2009 at 07:47 AM
When are you people going to stop putting your faith in the aircraft industry? My husband could never even get an interview there, and he has a college degree. Be grateful while you DO have that cushy high paying blue collar job, and if you were smart you would have been putting money aside and getting an education so you could find another job when they layoff inevitably comes - because it always does. I get tired of hearing the boo hoo's from the overpaid aircraft workers.
Posted by: :(
Location: wichita
on Jan 7, 2009 at 07:29 AM
why is it with these 2 companies in paticular that layoffs are the only solution?why not try the shorter work week or even furlough?what's lear doing that they have been able to avoid the layoffs?
Posted by: Faithfender
Location: Wichita
on Jan 6, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Erin, I think what happened is KAKE got wind of the layoffs before either Cessna and Hawker Beech were ready to make their announcement. They knew the cat would be out of the bag before they were ready for it to be out. It's hard to keep a lid on things when there are so many thousands of people in this industry. Manufacturing cycles have not gone away. Unfortunately we're only a few months into a down cycle. But I've seen these things before. We adjust, survive and with God's grace look for improving conditions to come. The sky wasn't the limit on those orders coming in. It too was part of a housing and before that a technology bubble. I wish all you aircraft workers well.
Posted by: Erin
Location: Wichita
on Jan 6, 2009 at 10:00 PM
I really hate the fact that they do this.... oh yes we're lettting people go but we're not going to tell you anything!! If you're going to let people go at least get your ducks in a row before you say it. I'm saying at least give us a number when you release this kind of info to your workers, they work their butts off to make the company what it is, I think they deserve that much!
Posted by: Pam
Location: Wichita
on Jan 6, 2009 at 09:39 PM
My husband was kicked out the door at Cessna 4 or 5 years ago after 28 years when they got rid of most of their inspection employees. Now we work for half of those wages, no sick leave, no retirement-nothing and too young to retire. Good old Cessna-a lot of the higher ups are still there doing nothing and drawing big wages. When you are put out the door they do not care. After making $almost $30.00 per hr they had the nerve to try and ask him to come back to work for $8.93 in a different dept. We have been laid off 3 times since 1972 from Cessna and each time let's come back for cheaper wages and work a non bargaining position. Or let's buy a degree on the internet and get a big job there and still work there when everyone knows it.
Posted by: Daniel Hultberg
Location: Wichita, KS
on Jan 6, 2009 at 09:34 PM
I work for a contracting company for hawker, and I think all of the lazy people from aircraft should get laid off and replaced by people who want to work.
Posted by: Dan
Location: Wichita
on Jan 6, 2009 at 08:31 PM
Rumor has it Cessna will cut about 1700 this time around. May even end 2nd shift in some areas.
Posted by: RALPH
Location: 1014 N. Cedar Downs Circle
on Jan 6, 2009 at 07:02 PM
Just a note to let you know that Chris Frank again came through again with the news of Hawker Beechcraft laying off again so I went to channel 12 and nothing was mentioned about Hawker Beechcraft just Cessna. You better never get rid of Chris Frank, he's on it for you guys!!!! That's why I switched to 10 because of Chris!!!!!!
Posted by: Dale
on Jan 6, 2009 at 04:39 PM
Maybe pelton should take a pay cut.
Posted by: Anonymous
on Jan 6, 2009 at 04:36 PM
How can Cessna get grants and incentives for creating jobs and than lay off as many as they are suppose to be adding. Other companies might have better used the same "money" to actually create "new" jobs. |
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My husband works for a local aircraft plant. It is his job that keeps us with a roof over our heads. I am employed also. We have four children. If he is layed off God will provide our needs. Give him the glory. "Consider the lilies of the field. They do not labor or spin. But even Solomon in all his glory was not clothed as such as these." It is time for America to become faithful again. Just as Peter walked on the water and started to sink the LORD STRETCHED OUT HIS HAND AND SAVED HIM. GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU.
Don't even respond to Anonymous. It makes you look like an idiot too.
To, action Location: wichita on Jan 13, 2009 at 02:29 PM. No, the joke is on whomever started the mistkaen statement that Aircraft BUILT Wichita. AGAIN, it did NOT!!! The fact that you people want to insinuate that we would "dry up and blow away" is THE JOKE. If the TRUE facts are that offensive to you aircraft employees - well that is just TO BAD!!! You folks still make me laugh...so it looks like the joke is YOU!!! Lol...Lol...Lol...ROFLMAO!!!
Anonymous you are a joke
To, me Location: wichita on Jan 8, 2009 at 03:38 PM Nope no attitude problem - just the FACTS ; AIRCRAFT DID NOT BUILD WICHITA. True it DID BOOM Wichita and TRUE Wichita WILL suffer if we lose all your jobs - BUT IT DID NOT BUILD WICHITA!!! Doesn't matter what WE ARE CALLED NOW!!! The facts remain the FACTS!!! C,mon make me laugh some more - uneducated third graders...Lol... Lol...Lol...ROFLMAO!!!
the people who should get layoff are the vp who does nothing or know nothing.So many vp in the business such as pop machine vp, toilet paper vp and ect.....we the worker are the one that kept this business going.
I'm surprised they're not seeking a bail out from the government too. It's probably in the works.
I have been the aviation industry for about 12yrs now. I have been laid off several times. It is the nature of the beast. I agree that Unions are a lot of the problem with who gets laid off compared to who really needs to go. Unfortunately the first people to be laid off are the last ones hired. As far as Cessna Independence, the layoffs have not affected them yet. One of the reasons is there were many jobs sent to Mexico this summer. I watched the Mexican trainees learn to build sheet metal assemblies for the Mustang. When they went back to Mexico the sub-assemblies went with them. Cessna is exporting American jobs rather than laying off people there.
Pam. I'm truly sorry about your situation. I read your comment and it broke my heart. Hang in there...it has to get better. Also, John...you sound like an awesome person. Love your comments!
Yes I am female, no I have not been laid off...if you were paying attention my hubby works at Hawker...not a lot of time on my hands, just a greedy husband that makes 40 mil an hour so I have time to get on this fancy puter and spend my time online shopping and surfing. But thats ok you know the line about opinions and how everyone has one! ;)
Just wondering when this is gonna hit the heating and air conditioning mfg. companies here in Wichita, come on you HVAC people, let us know how long before we to are out of work?
"Anonymous" must be newly laid off...she has a lot of spare time and thinks everyone actually cares about her opinion...how do I know it is a female?..guess....
Ok ok...listen...ok..all of the people who say that cows started the city and blah blah blah...ok I understand that, but are we all in agreement that aircraft is the top industry in Wichita? No...oh well...listen...this is funny. I just googled "air capital of the world". Guess what came up...no really guess...come on...mominks..jj...all of you..guess!!! Ok ok..I will tell you, it came up...WICHITA KS! Did you know that we are in Wikipedia under "air capital of the world"...that is some funny stuff!! Oh..and about 4 others came up too. Thats all I glanced at. Is that crazy or what!
My husband comes home smelling like a grease monkey and has black stuff all over his hands, but nooooo he doesnt work hard for his pay! NOOO not at all. He falls asleep in the chair and catches a nap after work, but nooooo he sits on his lazy bum for his 40mil an hour all day!! Then he spends time with the kids and tries to make time for us by staying up a little past 10 because he has to get up at 330 in the morning for work...but nooooo he doesnt derserve the pay working out there 15 yrs! Nope, he totally derserves to make just over min wage, and no benefits...we only a have a few mouths to feed...shouldnt be a prob to not have the benefits!!! WAKE UP!
Well it sure helped Wichita! No one has yet to post other industries as big and as once thriving as aircraft. Sorry to the cows and all, but I think we have a winner here..it's aircraft! Yea Wichita won't go under if aircraft does...at least not completely. We will still have the arena we are paying tax on. And probably some schools and a couple of crappy bars. So I guess your right. Wichita will be peachy if Cessna and Hawker go under!! Just peachy!