Good Question - Mountain Lions Near Mulvane?

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Another mountain lion photograph is circulating the Internet. The question is, are there mountain lions near Mulvane? Good question.

One picture is of a giant mountain lion allegedly shot by a man near Leon, Kansas. Turns out, the big cat in the picture was killed in Seattle, Washington. As with most hoax emails, the pic is real, but the story is not.

The latest mountain lion pic jamming e-mail in-boxes is of big cats lining up at a deer buffet. As many as three cougars are shown in the pictures. The e-mail says they were taken by a trail camera southeast of Mulvane.

There is even a date and time stamp that says October 9th, 2008, just before 8 o'clock in the evening.

The best answer is that the pictures are real, but the claim that they were taken near Mulvane is a hoax.

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Posted by: molly Location: wichita on Dec 8, 2008 at 04:55 AM
i haven't personally seen one but my friend in Haysville says she's seen them down in the big ditch over there. back in about '94 I knew someone who bought one and had it as a pet. It got loose and ran off. A couple months later a guy who works with my dad was approached by a tame one, while fishing, but it turned out to NOT be the one my friend lost! who knows how many people have bought them in other states and brought them home as pets and turned them loose when they got too hard to take care of! It's not like they can take them to the pound or give them away in the paper! I bet some of the one's being spotted are offspring from cougars that used to be "pets". and some of the other ones seen probably just wandered over from colorado. we have armadillos too, all the way from Texas!(and they're a lot slower than cougars!)

Posted by: N/A Location: Goddard on Dec 6, 2008 at 05:04 PM
Two years ago my son and I were west bound on Maple around dusk. Just west of Colwich road a deer came out of the brush from the south. I slammed on the brakes to miss him and to slow to avoid the usual second and third deer. It wasn't another deer that followed it, though. It was a full grown mountain lion. It was gorgeous and it was HUGE!

Posted by: Deni Location: Atlanta Ks on Dec 6, 2008 at 03:40 PM
Yes this is a true Story and there are many of these around our areas. We have seen them many times in this area and when you live on a farm they have been known to come close and get your cats and dogs. This Person that had this Photo did really See these and Got it on a Snapshot and He was a Game Warden at 1 time

Posted by: Brandon Location: towanda on Dec 5, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Yes there are mountain lions in Kansas.... I don't care what department of wildlife says or anyone else! I have seen one with my own eyes!! I was deer hunting around 6:30 in the morning a few years ago when i heard a noise... I looked behind me and there it was walkin down the tree line about 30 yards away from me... No it wasn't a bobcat... no it wasn't any other kind of animal i'm not blind it was a mountain lion. So anyone that doesn't believe that's their choice i know what i saw!!! Are there alot of them prolly not, but there are some end of story

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Wellington on Dec 5, 2008 at 04:52 PM
I saw one over by Gueda Springs a few years ago. No one believed me, but I know what I saw. At least I THINK I know what I saw. LOL

Posted by: believer Location: oklahomaborder on Dec 5, 2008 at 01:52 PM
I believe there are big cats in KS. Like the previous posts state, they are all around us, but not here? I have seen two with my own eyes, and know quite a few people who have also seen them. KDWP does need to get real, we are not stupid!

Posted by: M Location: Kansas on Dec 5, 2008 at 10:33 AM
Nobody is disputing the pictures are bogus. Yes, they were not taken in Kansas, But, go into the flinthills where there are cattle, deer what-have-you and you could see a big cat. Not bobcat, those are a dime-a-dozen around here. But I can tell the difference between bobcat and cougar. And when you are out there in the pastures working cattle, looking after cattle, who is going to have a camera to take a picture? I have seen one of these big cats. So yes, there might not be alot of them around, but we do have them in Kansas.

Posted by: J Location: Wichita on Dec 5, 2008 at 09:56 AM
I thought they knew better than to cross the Coloradro border. Those silly cats. Can't they read?

Posted by: BW Location: Sumner Co on Dec 5, 2008 at 09:28 AM
this picture was taken outside of Omaha Nebraska not mulvane

Posted by: John Location: Wichita on Dec 5, 2008 at 08:26 AM
Bob Cats

Posted by: Cougar on Dec 5, 2008 at 07:56 AM
They are in Neb. Ok. Mo. and Co. but not in Ks. With a large Deer population. KDWP needs to get real about this.

Posted by: TN Location: Wichita on Dec 5, 2008 at 07:54 AM
I received this picture several weeks ago and right away you can tell that this is not in the state of KS, if you notice the long needled pine tree on the left side of the picture for those that do not know long needled pines do not grow in KS. I do believe these big cats are in KS but this picture was not taken in KS.

Posted by: CJMT Location: Wichita on Dec 5, 2008 at 07:52 AM
My daughter and her family lived 3 miles north of Augusta. They and others living there have seen cougars and their tracks. They had them in their back yard! Deer came to drink at their pond and couger tracks were seen there also. The kids could not go out after dark without the dogs with them. They ARE here in Kansas. My cousin has seen them on his farm 15 miles south of Anthony for years.

Posted by: smarter_than_the_average_bear Location: Belle Plaine on Dec 5, 2008 at 05:21 AM
FYI.... The pictures that someone claim to be from a trail camera in Mulvane....They are not. Check out this article from Outdoor Life Magazine. Try the black hills of South Dakota, and you might get closer. Click on "Next" above the picture to see more photos.We do not have vegetation such as the trees shown in some of the pictures unless someone has planted it. http://www.outdoorlife.com/article_gallery/Mountain-Lions-Feast-On-Deer-Kill

Posted by: mike Location: wichita on Dec 5, 2008 at 05:06 AM
i can tell you there are big cats around i have run across them several times in the last few years while i was out hunting or looking for deer sign that does not include all the ones that stayed low and out of the area i was in less than ten feet from me and i never knew they were there untill my partner said something and scared it out of his hidding place

Posted by: Jennifer Location: Wellington, Ks on Dec 5, 2008 at 03:26 AM
I personally have seen a mountain lion right off of the turnpike between the Mulvane and Wellington exits. They DO exist....but I'm not going to try to catch one or even get out of my car to take a photo. That sucker was HUGE!

Posted by: dunno Location: west on Dec 4, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Probably a few, but not as many as everyone claims. Their are thousands of trail cameras set up 24/7 in kansas and I havent seen a positive yet. How many have been killed on the road, trapped, shot, etc??? IMO

Posted by: N/A Location: N/A on Dec 4, 2008 at 09:56 PM
Robert, learn how to spell!!!

Posted by: Jeff Herndon Location: KAKE on Dec 4, 2008 at 08:35 PM
UPDATE -- I wanted to thank everyone for the e-mails regarding this story. Here is a link to a story from the Omaha World-Herald last month about the same pictures. ( http://omaha.com/index.php?u_page=3942&u_sid=10495357 )The photographs were taken in South Dakota. Thanks again! Jeff

Posted by: Joshua Location: former Belle plaine resident on Dec 4, 2008 at 08:06 PM
I used to be a deputy in Sumner County and I saw mountain lion tracks many times along remote areas of the arkansas river

Posted by: Cougar Man Location: In the wild on Dec 4, 2008 at 07:21 PM
Referring to mountain lions in kansas, you shouldn't doubt anyone unless you are 100% sure it isn't so. We have seen them here in western kansas.

Posted by: TJ Location: Mulvane on Dec 4, 2008 at 06:45 PM
The mountian lions pictures are posted on the OUTDOORLIFE webpage with a picture gallery. The article states the area is South Dakota. A little North of Mulvane... http://www.outdoorlife.com/article_gallery/Mountain-Lions-Feast-On-Deer-Kill/&showall=Y

Posted by: You're Location: aFool on Dec 4, 2008 at 06:38 PM
If you don't think there's mountain lions in KS. I've seen them as close as SW Sedgwick county. KDWP can deny all they want.

Posted by: robert murphy Location: newton kansas on Dec 4, 2008 at 06:30 PM
I seen a coger on hiway 4 up on the other side of vally falls two years ago. i also seen a lapord that was hit buy a car on the turn pike north of emporia.I did not have a camera.

Posted by: M Location: Butler County on Dec 4, 2008 at 06:06 PM
Yup, there are big cats in Kansas. Seen one myself.

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Fire Department: Fireworks Are Illegal In Most Of Sedgwick County

Posted By: : Park city looked like the first Iraq war last night!!! It was spectacular,the whole sky was lit up waaayyyy into the night in ALL neighborhoods...like it is EVERY year and did not have ONE incident of a feild or house fire! Sorry you people in Wichita did not get to enjoy! If you're good...we might let you come and see us shoot them next year...but thats only if you're good..kiddys.
Posted By: Stacy: These guidelines are good. However, I'm new to Wichita and I have to say I'm shocked at how many people shoot off fireworks in the city proper and in parking lots of businesses andapartment buildings (like the one I live in). If it's illegal to do this, why on earth is it so commonplace? I was in the military for a few years, about 3 of which were spent in a lot of different areas of the continental U.S., not to mention the nearly 18 years I grew up in mosly Montana. I never before have seen an entire city with so many amateur fireworks displays inside of city limits. Law enforcement, why aren't you enforcing anything?
Posted By: Anonymous: I agree with Frankie although the sedgwick county fire department says they only enforce the law, they pushed for the fireworks ban. I believe the original was in 1978. I know it was after bottle rockets were made illegal in Kansas. I wish government would quit trying to protect us from ourselves, we need protection from them. I'm sure our tax dollars paid for the signs, putting them up, and then for taking them down stuck all over! KAKE needs to go through it's archives and find the original ban the sedgwick county commissioners signed and also read the constitution it says that we have the right to celebrate our independance with fireworks. For those complaining about fires in rural areas I've lived out in rural sedgwick for over 50 years and the instance of a house or wheatfield fire being caused by fireworks is pretty uncommon. It's a sparsely populated area unlike city living and fireworks tend to go up not shoot out for miles. Farmers intentionally light the stubble after harvest!
Posted By: Firefighter: Fireworks were banned in Sedgwick County in 1978. Why? There weren't enough firefighters and equipment to go around. Calls were waiting for a response. Firefighters came to work at 7:00 and didn't see their station until the following morning. There were was much damage to fire equipment. The County department had a tank truck roll. This type of response had been occuring for several years. This doesn't even speak to the damage to stuctures, possesions and the persons that where injured. The departments and civic leaders said enough,and fireworks were banned. Some of you say we are unamerican. Far from the truth. You have asked us to watch after you and assist in the time of need. Sometimes that means prevetion instead of action. I love fireworks as much as the next person. Fireworks have slowly made it back into many communities. If everyone can prove they have self control and caution when using fireworks then, they may come back everywhere. Stay safe this 4th.
Posted By: Anonymous: I guess I'm one of the hundreds of others that did not realize ALL FIREWORKS WERE ILLEGAL! (At least For those of us living outside a city limits in sedgwick county). I knew that while some cities Belle Plaine, Clearwater, Haysville, etc.. chose to allow BIG STUFF (the aerials) Wichita did not. The 78' fireworks ban was for the BIG STUFF!! The unincorporated areas had to follow sedgwick county's allowable fireworks same as the city of wichita chose to do. What year did they sneak in NO FIREWORKS AT ALL OF ANY TYPE for unincorporated sedgwick county?? It wasn't in the original ban. Living outside the city limits of any town, even when ALL FIREWORKS were allowed there were no fireworks stands out here, and the news was saying buy where you live, I called the no fire number for the sedgwick county fire department and asked where we should buy fire works that would be legal and I was told in wichita city limits. This is unconstitutional, prejudiced and segregates rural sedgwick county!!!!
Posted By: George Washington: This is all silly. I am going outside to set off Fireworks.
Posted By: Susan: Ok, I will expect everyone who is upset to show up at the next Sedgwick County council meeting. If you don't even at least call your councilman, than you should not complain.
Posted By: Shaun: I think that people in the county needs to remember that this day is to celebrate or freedom as a country!!! China gave us fireworks to help US and a COUNRTY celebrate. To me this is UNAMERICAN!!! Yes, i agree that the big ones that can set major fires sould probly not be shot in rural areas. And all though this law don't affect me personally, it still does as I am a soldier and an American. I am proud of my country. Even if I could only shoot off fountains or what ever I still think that is better than nothing. As long as the person shooting them off is doing it on a concrete surface I don't see why they can't have small fireworks!!!!!
Posted By: donald otnes: My daughter called me at 10:15 pm on July 2, 2009. She had people setting off fireworks in her housing district. The kids were firing off the ones that sound like a bomb going off. Are people that stupid to let kids have fireworks that could blow up and take a hand off or even there face.
Posted By: miss america: My family is apparently among the wild, irresponsible rednecks in unincorporated Sedgwick county that have shot off fireworks every year on the 4th since I was a baby. It's true there is a need to protect farmers' wheatfields, so I can understand why the county might ban the big fireworks that fly up in the air, and bottle rockets, etc. But, why shouldn't we be able to at least set off the smaller fireworks, such as fountains, that are less dangerous? Why are our families denied the privilege of celebrating the 4th in a safe, fun way just because we live in the unincorporated areas? This fireworks ban on the 4th needs to be loosened up. It's really not fair.
Posted By: a: Think about this people! Fireworks are loud and anoying! I am so sick of people setting them off late at night while we are trying to sleep! My baby is being kept up by fireworks because people set them off at two in the morning!Please just think about where you are setting them off like close to houses and apartment buildings. Those are not good places to be doing them!
Posted By: Firefighters daughter: For those who think that firefighters just "sit around" you obviously have no idea what these people do. Just looking at the 4th, I can recall as a child how we all wondered if my dad would get to finish his hamburger before being called out to yet another of the many fires he went on that day . The work they do isn't restricted to a summer holiday. Think about the gear they wear...heavy coats, boots, air tanks, even on 100 degree days. Take a walk in their boots and face the fires, car accidents, tornado/storms, floods, and other emergencies they must face with courage, calm, and strength in order to save lives and property. As for "washing the truck" and other maintenance that must be done, do you want a rusted out, broken hosed truck showing up at your house because they DIDN't do those things? I hope they do get a chance to relax, eat, sleep, etc. between the emergencies they must face. I want a well rested and ready fire fighter showing up at my house should I ever need one
Posted By: rebecca: hey does anyone know if the little boy that went into QT has been found? I know this isn't the topic but I just wanted to know.
Posted By: : h: I believe that fireworks like Black Cats can be used in Derby as well as Wichita (it's been a long time since I've done any here so I wouldn't definitely know). But they might be setting off something bigger like an M50. The main problems they've had is with the ones that burst into showers of colored balls and sparks like we see in the big displays, roman candles, M80s and the ones that spray out sparks. The Eagle Beacon, last year, said that a good rule of thumb is if they shoot out sparks more than about 6 feet from the device then they are probably illegal.
Posted By: h: well they are sure shooting them in derby and we're in sedgwick county either they are not banned or the police in derby are not doing anything about the ones that are shooting off fireworks already. Frankly I'm sick of it, the neighborhood kids are shooting them off close to my property and my dogs are having fits, a call to the local police dpt says nothing they can do....so if they are banned in sedgwick county then they should be banned in derby and the derby police dpt needs to start enforcing the ban, if they aren't banned in derby then they need to be, there are other ways of having a good time on the 4th of July without having to endanger your yard, my yard, your life!!!!
Posted By: : If everyone was a responible person that means for their self and for the one's that have children, then we wouldn't have had these laws made.The population is so high now that the fire departments are on overload because of the people that will not take responsiblity for their actions.And as far as the fire department setting around!!! Let your house be on fire and then have to wait because these people are not at their work area's because you think they are setting around.I would hate for them to be kept busy 24/7. What would happen to our town without them if that were the case.Already the street that I live on is littered with trash from fire works because people are not responsibly.(not all)
Posted By: D: I completely agree with Anonymous at 9:26. Linda, unless you've been living under a rock, it's been well known for years that fireworks are illegal in the city limits. They make the same announcements every year. They don't sell the "big" illegal fireworks in the city but everyone still goes out of city limits to buy them and then come back home and shoot them off out in the neighborhood streets. I've seen fireworks in my neighborhood that would rival the ones at riverfest and Lawrence Dumont stadium and they aren't legal in the city.
Posted By: : Cliff: That's true but when they are burned off purposely there are fire control measures in place. When someone sets a fire with fireworks they tend to run away and then it gets out of control. Like I said, I've missed work because of people who do this. The reason why they made them illegal in Sedgwick County to begin with is because most people here are not responsible enough to use them safely. And Linda: They've been telling people every year that they are illegal. Most people just don't pay attention. And they only selll fireworks in Wichita that you can set off in Wichita. That's why they've always said "Shoot them where you buy them".
Posted By: Rod: I'm with 'Anonymous on Jul 1, 2009 at 08:08 AM'... Helps us Obama! We need you to protect us from ourselves! ALL PRAISE OBAMA!!!
Posted By: Linda: Ok, for one I think if they were illegal, than why didn't we know about it along time ago. I bet that the majority of the people that lives in Wichita didn't know this, and I think it is not right to start enforcing it NOW, I mean come on the main reason why people shoot of fireworks is for the kids entertainment, Also if its going to be illegal than why on earth should selling fireworks at the stands not be? People see the signs that fireworks are illegal, but when they are driving around wichita and see firework stands it just tempts them that much more. So I think its not right.
Posted By: cliff: anonomous at 8;08, fireworks are a tradition on the fourth of july. and the "tinderbox "harvesed wheat fields are usually burnt off this time of year anyway even without fireworks.
Posted By: : Bottle Rocket Roger: What makes you think being American means you should have the right to set off explosives? For the idiots who think they need to have fireworks: how many of you have to call into work and tell your boss you can't come in because some moron set fire to your house or yard? What about when they go outside the city & set them off in newly harvested wheat fields that are nothing more than tinderboxes at this time of year? Every year for the past six years I've lost pay because idiots cannot control themselves or the fires they set.
Posted By: don: its really sad,,,,we are not hardly even "independent" anymore,,,the government has "used" up all are rights,,,,,like the ol' saying goes though "just be glad your not getting ALL the government you pay for",,,,,period, end of sentence !!!!
Posted By: : Anonymous who is coming down on firefighters and their "lazy days of washing the trucks and sleeping and cooking meals" has no clue what firefighters do and how many calls many of the stations get,though many are medical. Firefighters are not exactly unpatriotic joy-squelchers, but they are supposed to educate the general public about fire safety. If you even understood all the job entailed you wouldn't talk like that.
Posted By: Bottle Rocket Roger: When I lived in a town just north of wichita,we were able to shoot fireworks ALL day long for a week..Park City allows fireworks ALL day long for week,NO problems in either town! We celebrate the 4th like americans in these towns! The people that made fireworks illegal in Wichita and hate the fireworks are ALL UNAMERICAN! Go hide in you're basements and shake like a coward..the M80's are coming!
Posted By: : We need two things immediately. One, a petition to remove this descriminatory 1978 law against residents of the county, and secondly, another petition to remove the authors of this law if they are still in office, and any other person in authority that supports it. I'll drive any distance to sign those petitions. Our tax dollars were used to print and post these signs and will also be used again to remove them, and patrol neighborhoods looking for little kids shooting ladyfinger firecrackers. This travesty of the use of our tax dollars must be exposed with those that have attacked Independence Day.
Posted By: Bob: Enforce the law! Many firewoks are dangerous, destructive, and disturbing--especially to pets.
Posted By: : I never knew there were so many un-educated people around the state. It even says in the text of the story, that the fire department is not going to be doing extra patrolling, due to staffing. People are very careless with their fireworks in the "uncorperated" area's of the county. You add wind, and some dry wood, or brush.. And you cause a very dangerous situation, and put those "poorly staffed" fire deparments that respond in danger. ****If you live in a town/city in "sedgwick County".. you need to check your local laws. The no fireworks law - is for "uncorprated" - aka *NOT IN CITY LIMITS*
Posted By: Michelle: Can't we come to a compromise? Make them illigal everyday of the year, except the 4th? I agree with the ones on here that said we are celebrating our FREEDOM! This is what the USA is about. Hotdogs, baseball and fireworks! 8-)
Posted By: Kristy: "But many like Sedgwick County Resident Michael Dixson don't plan on breaking the law." Seriously - someone who writes for a news station should be familiar with proper grammar usage.
Posted By: : How ironic it is that it's Independance Day however; they tell you that you can't fire off any fireworks.....at least any that are worth paying money for. Yes, we're slowly on our way to becoming a communist country. I miss Archie Bunker!
Posted By: : Why even celebrate??? Pretty sad when Amerians can't participate in the tradation and celebration of America's Indepandance. I feel for you rual Sedwick County people. Sedwick County SUCKS!!
Posted By: Tim: The Fire Department IS NOT encouraging people to call 911 every time they see people shooting fireworks, this will create an unnecessary strain on the 911 system. The problem is being worked on and will take time to get things all straightened out. If you have an emergency or a problem that warrants calling 911 by all means call 911. What is not needed is a call to 911 every time you see someone shooting a firecracker.
Posted By: : The fire departments are going out of their way with NO FIREWORKS signs just because they don't want to have to work any more than they have to. Little fire here and there disrupts their lazy days of washing the trucks and sleeping and cooking meals!
Posted By: topper: at one time you couldn't shoot fire works in dodge, now that we can the 2nd through the 5th i think. i havent heard of more fires or whatever it is you think is going to happen if you were to allow.. its the 4th of july, and you stoping people from celebrating. thats dumb if you ask me. besides, people are going to shoot them off no matter what you do.
Posted By: Frankie: The Fire Department says it only enforces the law against fireworks in Sedgwick County, but I've lived here since 1938 and I remember that it was the Sedgwick County Fire Department that pushed for the County Commissioners to pass the illegal fireworks law.
Posted By: anoymous: It is a little confusing, because Park City has fireworks tents all over, but I thought Bel Aire and Park City were actually their own "cities", and not part of unincorporated Sedgwick County. And they are allowed in Goddard,I checked out the website. I wish there was a central list posted where they are legal/illegal, because I do think there is confusion about this, especially when I thought I heard people in Bel Aire saying they purchased permits in the past. Can anyone elaborate?
Posted By: Debby: If they are illegal why are they sold in the city where they are illegal?
Posted By: : Isn't it funny how it's called Independance Day but yet big brother wants to tell us we can't shoot fireworks? Screw you big brother!! I'm firing mine off!!
Posted By: Elmer: I saw on the news that you are asking the neighbors to report the people who are using fireworks to the police. Hitler did the same thing when enforcing his laws. Are we coming closer to socialist government, or are you just trying to create a community that is untenable due to loss of trust in neighbors? I can't believe we are repeating history again.
Posted By: bob: i think the county is forgetting what we are celebrating, our independence. so they should let us shoot them where you buy them.
Posted By: Justin: Land of the Free, My hind end. Restrictions yes, understandable. But, all out ban? This is not the America I fought for!!!!! Maybe before long we won't have any independence to celebrate!!! And I'm sure the fire fighters are just having to do what there told. Heck, most of them love fire or they wouldn't be doing there job.
Posted By: : "fire dept only enforces the law" im sure they had a say in how it was created. thats like saying police dont have a quota when writing tickets when im sure they do. how else are police measured when trying for promotions and raises--its by how many tickets they write, how many crimes they solve, ect. people are gonna shoot off fireworks and worry bout what happens later because this is the one time in the year that we get to do so! plus it helps celebrate america's birthday !!
Posted By: Mikea: I sure wish there was something we could do about the rednecks who insist on setting off the big heavy skybursts in our neighborhood at 1am every night. Fireworks should be illegal inside the city. Loud car radios are, and fireworks are more dangerous.
Posted By: Bob: Ok maybe this is a stupid question, but what is unincorporated Sedgwick County? What is meant by that?
Posted By: AJ Simkatu: Everyone knows that fireworks that go up in the sky are illegal, even in the city of Wichita. The problem is that nobody cares. Most people think the ban is a ridiculous overreaction to a small problem. People are sick of the nanny state telling us what we can and can't do with our own lives and property. What's next, ban skydiving, skiing, riding dirt bikes, mountain climbing? The government needs to mind its own business and stay out of ours.

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