Boeing Wichita Cutting 800 Positions
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The Boeing Company Wednesday announced plans to cut approximately 800 positions at its Integrated Defense Systems facility in Wichita during 2009.

Boeing attributes the reductions to the end of some programs and the delay in the U.S. Air Force tanker-replacement program. The layoffs will impact managers and both salaried and hourly workers.

Boeing will deliver 60-day layoff notices to approximately 76 employees on Friday, Nov. 21. Their last day of work is scheduled for mid-January. The company will deliver the balance of the layoff notices throughout 2009, with most occurring in the first half of the year.

"We regret the need to reduce employment. We understand the disruptions that layoffs cause in personal lives and in our community,” said Scott Strode, vice president and general manager of Boeing Wichita. "However, a combination of events are limiting our business options and forcing us to reduce our current employee total. We also are taking steps to restructure our business in order to lower our rates and become more affordable for customers."

Boeing Wichita today employs approximately 3,000 people who work on a variety of programs, including Global Transport & Executive Systems programs for the U.S. executive fleet, B-52/Refueling Systems Support, 767 International Tanker, Mission Planning, engineering support for Airborne Laser and 747-8, and Integrated Logistics Support.

"Our goal is to place more work in Wichita, but while we seek new business, it is vital for the future health of Boeing Wichita that we address our current business realities," said Strode.

Boeing will help as many affected employees as possible find jobs at other Boeing locations. The company also will provide resume-writing assistance and job-hunting workshops.

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Posted by: happy Location: augusta on Jan 7, 2009 at 09:42 PM
never wished things upon others, only stated that is way the economy is now. aircraft industry is slowly going down. the ceo's and such have made the statement that they have hit the peak in orders from the airlines. plus with cessna laying off around a 1000 people or so, it will be hard to find a job
Posted by: mad Location: wichita on Jan 5, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Happy - Be careful - all the evil things you wish upon others might just come back to you.
Posted by: happy Location: augusta on Jan 3, 2009 at 09:30 PM
no, just happy to know that boeing and spirit are doing the right things by outsourcing work that will be quality work and a lot cheaper. the only people who are really upset are the people who know that they will probably lose their job because the aircraft industry is laying off. sorry about your luck, but that is life.
Posted by: obama? Location: ? on Dec 8, 2008 at 08:14 PM
wow
Posted by: Josh on Dec 8, 2008 at 05:51 PM
Why don't all of you get along, this is the Christmas season. We all are going through hard times. Quit your fighting. Those of you that are fighting are worse than a bunch of children, act like adults and move on with it.
Posted by: Jim Location: Wichita on Dec 8, 2008 at 02:25 PM
"happy", as in gay?
Posted by: Spirit Family Location: Derby,Ks on Dec 8, 2008 at 02:21 PM
We're right there with Jeri who posted on Nov 30th. I know it's easier said than done, but please keep your heads held high and try to stay positive. My thoughts and prayers are out there for everyone whose been laid off, on strike and jobless.
Posted by: jim on Dec 7, 2008 at 09:47 PM
this might as well be a chat room.
Posted by: happy Location: augusta on Dec 7, 2008 at 07:26 PM
oh boo hoo, some people are losing their jobs, thats life deal with it. and for you spirit workers, watch out, your next. haha. and everybody knows it WILL happen..........haha
Posted by: bobby Location: wichita on Dec 4, 2008 at 07:44 PM
not a chat room !!!!
Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 4, 2008 at 01:00 PM
Really, Kake - Can we move on?
Posted by: Alan Location: Wichita on Dec 3, 2008 at 01:23 PM
Anonymous, the only thing I have to say to you is, “Amazing”! On that note, I am finished with this as far as commenting. I think the point was made WAY back, that the layoffs at Boeing was not the result of the strike, or the union, but due to the fact that the military contracts are now complete, or soon will be, and this has gotten so far off track, it is not even amusing any longer. Anonymous, one more thing, seriously consider therapy. From what you have been writing, you are in bad need. BYE!!
Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 3, 2008 at 09:42 AM
totally unreal i didnt need that i thought i cleared myself up and im not defending him in any way he sounds like and idoit
Posted by: Totally unreal Location: Wichita on Dec 2, 2008 at 03:14 PM
Alan doesn't need anyone to defend him, however, I'm going to step in and say this, Anon, you are clearly misinformed. Look at two of the posts by Alan below and please read them carefully. You will see that it says that his wages which were negoitated by Union paid for his house. Meaning that he worked for and earned the right to buy his home. Posted by: Alan Location: Wichita on Nov 24, 2008 at 11:45 AM I forgot to mention, my $300,000 house to which my UNION wages has paid for, is all but paid off. I am sorry, you imbeciles shooting off your mouths, where is it you said you live, Plainview or was it Oaklawn? Posted by: Alan Location: Wichita on Nov 26, 2008 at 07:42 PM The "union" did not pay for squat, I paid for my house. I do have a life, in fact, we are flying out to spend turkey day in Miami and spend some of my unemployment checks. I will drink a couple pina coladas on the beach for you though!
Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 2, 2008 at 12:24 PM
alan you said once that the union paid for your house and than you said they didnt for sure i know they didnt pay out of their own pocket thats not what i was saying like someone mis read my comment and thought but you did say that read the comments over just trying to keep you from contradicting your self
Posted by: Peg Location: Wichita on Dec 2, 2008 at 11:07 AM
That should have been airplane (typed too fast and didn't proof - shame on me)
Posted by: Peg Location: Wichita on Dec 2, 2008 at 09:37 AM
Think what Alan was really trying to say is that instead of maxing his credit cards to the limit, running up huge debts, he did what a SENSIBLE person would do. That would be live within their means; save up and pay for what they want instead of going out, getting married, buying a new house with all new furnishings, two new vehicles and then worrying about how to pay all the bills, like so many people today have done. Live within your means and wait until you can afford something before rushing out and buy it. That's what has gotten the country in the mess that they are in now. GREED.... I feel for those who are laid off at this time. Anyone who works in an airplace manufacturing company should automatically know that you have the potential for lay offs every year and that you should have 6 months of living expenses at least saved up. Same goes for a strike year!
Posted by: Alan Location: Wichita on Dec 2, 2008 at 09:30 AM
Anonymous, I see you still are running your mouth without your brain engaged, that is so......YOU! Do you not know how to read? If you can read, can you comprehend what you have read? Obviously not. I have never said the union paid for my house, I have said that “union negotiated” wages has paid for my house, BIG difference! And yes, I do have the right amount of zeros on my house's worth, let's see, a three with five zeros following. It is to bad that everything has to broken down so much for you to be able to understand anything being written on here. I know, you probably need pictures to go with the typed words to be able to understand. Oh, and thanks for asking, I had a great time in Miami, and the Keys.
Posted by: Nick Location: Wichita on Dec 1, 2008 at 08:17 PM
My comment was not about what Alan said, he commented below that the union did not, and has not bought him or anyone else anything, and never will. This is it for me, you all commenting on here are whacked.
Posted by: Anonymous Location: Wichita on Dec 1, 2008 at 06:52 PM
Great previous comment. What is wrong Alan, you can't even remember what you are saying. Maybe you have 1 too many zero's down for your home!
Posted by: Nick Location: Wichita on Dec 1, 2008 at 06:39 PM
I have to comment on this one. What in the world makes anyone believe that Local Lodge 639, which represents Spirit Aerosystems, is going to buy ANYONE a house, at ANY price? That is the most ridicules comment I have ever read! You people make comments about this Alan's IQ, then write something like this, I can't believe this person is serious because it is way to comical.
Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 1, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Alan didnt you say the union paid for your house???
Posted by: Mark Location: Wichita on Dec 1, 2008 at 08:47 AM
I think what Alan was talking about, was IF we get laid off from Spirit, fully laid off, the max unemployment benefit per week would be $424.00. From what I have read, he is also on a three day work week. I would say if he can live on "full" unemployment, he is pretty much debt free, and probably manages his money well. JMO.
Posted by: jeri Location: kansas on Nov 30, 2008 at 12:49 PM
alen: i do not know were you work becuase it cannot be spirit or boeing becuase the people i know who are getting unemployment are only getting 67$ per day that they do not work.my husband has only gotten a few checks and still works 3 days a week.so to me u must not work eny were there are layoffs.of working less days.or you would not be going to miami and drinking eny thing.all i know is i cant pay dec.house payment i pay my bills to keep the house warm and to have lights.but this christmas will not happen.so no one can send me to collections but the house we will probably lose.and we are not living beyond our means.we are just trying to get threw this like a lot of others and we are not telling people that we are getting more money then we are.so stop.
Posted by: happy Location: augusta on Nov 29, 2008 at 05:36 PM
since boeing is laying off, spirit will be next, just wait and see. so remember how many times you scrapped a part and missed work, cause seniority will not matter. if they dont need you in the dept, then you should be let go...........
Posted by: Dani Location: ICT on Nov 28, 2008 at 04:25 PM
Alan you are a JERK!!!! My heart and prayers go out to all the family around the USA that are low on money this season b/c of the economy. Keep your heads held high and your hearts full of God and love. The TRUE meaning of the holidays will be remembered this season!
Posted by: Mark Location: Wichita on Nov 28, 2008 at 08:44 AM
Just think J, if he hits bottom, he will be on your level.
Posted by: J on Nov 28, 2008 at 08:09 AM
Hey Alan just wanted to let you know everytime to re-ply to a comment your IQ drops a couple more and you might be one of us idoits.......Just think a few more and you won't have to lower your self anymore...
Posted by: Alan Location: Wichita on Nov 26, 2008 at 07:42 PM
The "union" did not pay for squat, I paid for my house. I do have a life, in fact, we are flying out to spend turkey day in Miami and spend some of my unemployment checks. I will drink a couple pina coladas on the beach for you though!
Posted by: ____ Location: Wichita on Nov 26, 2008 at 03:52 PM
Alan I really didnt care about what you were saying about boeing all that stuff but the thing that really bugged me was how you act like your soo high class top notch with your $300,000 house and looking down on people that live in oaklawn or plainview? People like you should be ashamed of yourselves. Just because its not a house worth "300,000" that by the way the UNION paid for not YOU! atleast they have a home that they bought their own! and have a place to raise their families and have memories in.. And I agree with the person that comment "ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD WOULD NOT CHANGE WHO YOU REALLY ARE".. so let me lay this flat out. Get a life Alan go sit in your $300,000 house that you adore and go have your thanksgiving dinner with your family! And stop sitting online typing rude and unnecessary stuff. REALLY ALAN GET A LIFE!
Posted by: Elaine Location: Wichita on Nov 26, 2008 at 01:00 PM
A.C....sorry, my bag on the working thru the holidays.
Posted by: Bill Location: Wichita on Nov 25, 2008 at 02:45 PM
Boeing will survive in Kansas; the union may not. Unlike Michigan, Kansas is a right to work state and therefore, the company does not need to negotiate with the. The recent events of business collapse may be a good thing for Kansas workers and not so good for Everett, WA.
Posted by: William Location: Wichita on Nov 25, 2008 at 02:21 PM
Alan has finally said something that I agree with whole heartedly. After reading numerous comments from people that are cheering about people losing jobs. It sickens me. Someone below said, "They make their bed, now they have to sleep in it." How mature. I am sure that their kids will enjoy sleeping in that bed also. I honestly do not think that the strike had as much weight as people are placing on the lay offs. It is overall the economy. I feel for the families that will be suffering this year, on top of the current world market and our own now a lot of Wichita area people are being laid off. My prayers go out to you and yours and I hope that even if you are forced to have a Christmas without gifts you are able to remember and be thankful that you have your family. To Alan and others that have stated the same, I commend you for bringing up these hateful comments that people are making about those going without. Hopefully Wichita will rebound and work will be plentiful again. God Bless
Posted by: Alan Location: Wichita on Nov 25, 2008 at 07:29 AM
You are correct. I had to really lower myself to communicate with some on their level, about the inexcusable comments made about working people. I would suggest you do some soul searching also, before I was to call another an idiot on here, or anywhere else.
Posted by: To Alan, Again Location: Wichita on Nov 24, 2008 at 07:30 PM
First off, Alan, I dont make 5.50 an hour, I make almost 20 and I perform a service to the community for my wages. I do not and have never received a handout. Even when I was in the Marine Corps and didnt make enough money during the california blackouts of 99-00 to pay the electric bill I still managed without handouts. However, there are people that work and need them and accept them. They need them because they do not buy expensive things for themselves or their family. I stand up for those people because they are too busy working multiple "slop house" jobs to comment. By some of your comments you would think that you were an educated man, then you start with the excessive insults and completely remove all doubt that one might have about you being an idiot. I am done arguing with you on a news comment board. Go on with your life in your 300,000.00 house continuing to spat in the direction of those "under" you, all the money in the world would not change who you "REALLY" are.
Posted by: Alan Location: Wichita on Nov 24, 2008 at 05:34 PM
Anonymous, Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!! Then you and others should only comment on FACTS. People are losing there jobs, who the hell cares if it is Boeing, or Burger King? These “people” are getting laid off due to contracts being completed, not because of a past strike, you and everyone else knows it! The sick comments CHEERING that these families will suffer is ridiculous and uncalled for. Some on here sicken me. See, no insults, even though some fully deserve to be insulted. I will leave you all to waller in the demented comments that some you seem to think makes you clever, it dose not, just in reverse. No, sorry, no friends here, just sicko's.
Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 24, 2008 at 04:16 PM
AWWW...sounds to me like Alan has nothing better to do then sit around and yell on kake.com. I am gonna guess by his attitude that he has no friends so he is trying to make some here. Alan, honey, it's not workin'!
Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 24, 2008 at 03:46 PM
Alan, when you add all your insults to others and brag about how much your house is it diminishes your valid comments. If you want people to take you seriously just state the facts and leave out the insults.
Posted by: Alan Location: Wichita on Nov 24, 2008 at 02:14 PM
Handouts??? I don't need handouts like you obviously have collected. I have plenty to carry myself through any layoff, and then some. Go back to work, and collect your $5.50 an hour! Maybe I will tip you in the slop house you work at.
Posted by: JD Location: Wichita on Nov 24, 2008 at 01:25 PM
"Alan"...once again on another subject you showed your maturity......way to go buddy......when in all reality you are the one living in a trailer in plainview or oaklawn.....what a loser.....The offer to meet for Lunch still stands clown...
Posted by: To Alan - Cont Location: Wichita on Nov 24, 2008 at 12:25 PM
People like you make up Citibank and other companies that expect handouts when they fall on their face. No one here cares about your house. You are the type of person we could all do without.
Posted by: Alan Location: Wichita on Nov 24, 2008 at 11:45 AM
I forgot to mention, my $300,000 house to which my UNION wages has paid for, is all but paid off. I am sorry, you imbeciles shooting off your mouths, where is it you said you live, Plainview or was it Oaklawn?
Posted by: JD Location: Wichita on Nov 24, 2008 at 08:45 AM
ok "wow" they made their own bed now they have to sleep in it
Posted by: Wow Location: Wichita on Nov 23, 2008 at 04:46 PM
It never amazes me anymore the comments on here. People are going to go without for whatever reason and people are actually cheering. I dont like the strikes and I am not an aircraft worker, but to cheer because others will suffer is really ignorant and pathetic. I have made fun of rivit drillers in the past, but never laughed at them when they were struggling.
Posted by: Amanda Location: Wgtn on Nov 21, 2008 at 03:19 PM
Way to go "To Alan"! WOW! I have one thing to say... Alan - you are the weekest link... Good bye!!!
Posted by: To Alan on Nov 21, 2008 at 12:59 PM
Yes I was thinking when I submitted the quote about commercial cuts. I can even think about all sides of this issue (unlike you who have tunnel vision and are obviously incapable of seeing the other side - typical union freak if you ask me, and yes I've know several. Worked w/them for 8.5 yrs at the big "B"). So Alan, you go ahead and keep your little rose colored glasses on, continue to disregard the obvious (strike hurt them, now they'll get theirs AND have the last laugh). I hope you have the ability to get over this, as the Mexicans will soon be doing your job, just as well as you do it (or better) and be happy to make the $8 or $10 an hour they'll be paid. Mark my words Alan, on this subject - you SIR are the uninformed moron!!!
Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 21, 2008 at 11:12 AM
Perhaps you can do a better job managing Boeing, Alan? Maybe you should have put in for a promotion. Keep in mind that the ultimate goal of a manager is to make money for the shareholders, not to make disgruntled employees happy. No matter what they do, they will never be able to please everyone. Some people will never be happy. Are you one of those? You'll really be upset when they fire you for posting irate comments concerning the company on an open forum. Guess you really are the only smart person in Wichita!
Posted by: jeri Location: kansas on Nov 21, 2008 at 10:22 AM
spirit employes have clock to some vac if they have it to use. get it strait before u speak. people have gone threw there savings and 401k. so to all who thinks this is funny.bevery carfull.my husband has given to local charities for the holidays. and now we are the ones whos kids will go with out.spirit did not ask for this. are u going to give my kids there help for the holidays.
Posted by: AC Location: Wichita on Nov 21, 2008 at 10:14 AM
Elain--yes it is 'nice' of them to give a 60 day notice, but I found it humerous that you said work 'through' the holidays. Boing / Spirit get 2 full weeks off with pay for the holidays...no wonder they are having to lay off.
Posted by: carroll Location: wichita on Nov 20, 2008 at 09:06 PM
alan- ur right. dun is dun. i'm glad i'm on the west side of oliver-- best place to be right now. i'm still on 3 day weeks as a result of the strike. i'm really cramped right now, but i support the east siders 100%! i'm not clear on what current bail outs has to do with 800 being laid off or what McCain has to do with contracts that expire. now i will agree that there are boobs in management. it's that way EVERYWHERE! it's called- promote the incompetent. so they don't hose up everything on the floor. where the real work and productivity happens. a thousand managers have no job with out 10,000 to manage. i've been a manager. everyone loves to blame management for all their woes-- it's cheap and easy. not all decisions are bad even if we don't like them. not all are wise, and proven so in the long run. i've got to work. I will decide what MY approach to today will be. life sux. get over it. get on with it. it'll get better.
Posted by: Alan Location: Wichita on Nov 20, 2008 at 05:00 PM
Jack, I must have hit a nerve? Most managers at Boeing and Spirit are incompetent fools that could not lead a fish to swim in water. It is because of these manager/CEO morons, that these companies, banks or whatever, are in the mess they are in.
Posted by: Alan Location: Wichita on Nov 20, 2008 at 04:38 PM
- Contrary to what some believe, the cut backs on the military programs at Boeing, have nothing to do with Spirit. Boeing is laying off because the contracts are FINISHED, COMPLETE, DONE. Has NOTHING to do with the strike. - And to Anonymous, if Boeing "commercial" cuts back, of course it will affect Spirit, what are you thinking, or are you? - When Boeing came out in the NEWS, and said they were thinking of dropping out of the bidding process, that pretty much summed it up for me. - Yes N, they are there comments, but they are based on nothing but ignorance, none of it is based on fact.
Posted by: jack Location: wichita on Nov 20, 2008 at 02:10 PM
1. I was against the first bailout of the financial companies. 2. I am against any other bailout plan. 3. Let the auto industry file bankruptcy to negate union contracts. 4. execs of failing companies should lose jobs or at least large part of salaries. 5. I believe current layoffs are due to economy in large part, but recent strikes have impact too. 6. Union members pay attention to item 3 above or you will be next. 7. Alan shut up! the reason people get promoted is becaues they show leadership skills & qualities you obviously do not have. You Alan are one of the sheeples who blindly follow the leader. You had better hope your leader (the union) are not lemmings.
Posted by: Annoyed Location: Kansas on Nov 20, 2008 at 01:04 PM
Gee, this wouldn't have a thing to do with Sen. McCain wanting to open the bidding for our Military Tanker to a foreign country. Or the fact that once Boeing cried foul and got it stopped the current administration wants to wait and let the new administration handle it. Or that the CEO's and other upper crust at Boeing want their bonuses and perks. Either the brain surgeons on this site can't understand the news or read the paper.
Posted by: Response to Anon Location: Wichita on Nov 20, 2008 at 12:44 PM
If you look at Japan, you will see that when companies start doing poorly, the executives take a decrease in pay because they are considered the responsible party. That's not the case in the USA. They start cutting the little guys here, then reward themselves for increasing profitablity with nice fat raises. I'm not a fan of unions, but I do realize they are NOT what is bringing down our industry. It is crappy management and shoddy accounting practices.
Posted by: Just an Observation Location: Wichita on Nov 20, 2008 at 12:36 PM
You guys are all correct!! It's those evil UNION guys making less than 100k a year sucking all the money out of the companies. It couldn't be all the CEO's, managers, supervisors and supervisors over supervisors bonuses, could it? Profits aren't going to be what they have been, so the only way these clowns are going to get the hefty bonuses they are used to is by cutting overhead. We all know the big dogs aren't going to get rid of themselves, so they boot the workers. They get a HUGE bonus and the remaining workers get MANDATORY OVERTIME. All the while the public p*** and moan about those evil unions.
Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 20, 2008 at 10:34 AM
So, Alan the Spirit worker: does this affect the commercial side "Boeing Co. has seen its orders peak and the number of commercial planes in its backlog will probably decline going forward." I
Posted by: Curious Location: Wichita on Nov 20, 2008 at 09:49 AM
Alan, When did Airbus officially get the bid? I thought Boeing lodged a complaint and it was still up in the air... Just curious.
Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 20, 2008 at 09:38 AM
Look at the quote in the story: "taking steps to restructure our business in order to lower our rates and become more affordable for customers." This IS about the bottom line. The price a customer pays for a product includes labor costs. Strikes cost millions. Unless the government bails out the auto industry, (a short term fix at best) labor unions there will be gone. One of the foreign companies will buy buildings and equipment for pennies on the dollar, capturing capacity and market share. They can take all the time they need, hire anyone they want, and in the meantime car prices go up, incentives go down, and spare parts are hard to come by. They have the operating capital to do it. Why? Because their current workforce strives for continuous improvement and cost reduction, instead of whining about their pay rate and haggling over details when they are already fairly compensated. Unless drastic changes are made, aircraft will soon be circling the drain as well. Wake up people!
Posted by: Deanna Location: Wichita on Nov 20, 2008 at 09:09 AM
It's a good thing they striked. They would have still had the layoffs so at least you stuck up for yourselves and got a more resonable contract.
Posted by: n Location: w on Nov 20, 2008 at 08:28 AM
Boy, Alan seems to be the smart one out of the bunch. Using words like morons, stupidity, and idiots. Hey Alan why don't you post your comment and leave the insults out. Their not stupid or idiots or morons; it's their comments.
Posted by: n Location: Wichita on Nov 20, 2008 at 08:07 AM
I said when you were striking that you might win in the negotiations but that you'd lose in the long run and ah...I was so right, the layoff is the payoff for your greediness, I certainly hope that those being laid off are the ones that were on the picket line in the first place and not the ones that chose to work and not be greedy and wanting more. God sure works in mysterious ways to those not content with what they have.....Guess who is getting the last word...GOD!!!!
Posted by: Elaine Location: Wichita on Nov 20, 2008 at 05:58 AM
Of course, this is not good news but at least you get to work thru the holidays and you get a 60 day notice instead of just a few days.
Posted by: JD Location: Wichita(machineshop) on Nov 20, 2008 at 05:27 AM
"Alan", i dont know whether to say your comments are stupid or ignorant. If you think the layoffs have nothing to do with the strike, then you are just naive. Boeing and Spirit can make you beleive whatever they want to. But look at the facts, how can it not have to do with the strike.Think about it, you guys struck for more pay and they said ok. And now they are laying off obvisously because there is not enough money to keep the workforce where it is at now. Hmm to me that sounds like because you greedy employees wanted more and now they cant afford it. Just my opinion! So how about you look at the obvious instead of looking at things through you Boeing blinders. Way to go strikers now you can explain to your families why things are tight just like the other hard workers who got laid off because of your laziness. Best wishes to those families who had nothing to do with the strike and for the ones who did....well KARMA is a wonderful thing.
Posted by: Johnny B Location: Derby on Nov 20, 2008 at 03:56 AM
See what that strike got you . Next time maybe you wont be so greedy . There is no such thing as job security anymore !!!!
Posted by: PJ Location: WCT on Nov 19, 2008 at 11:03 PM
I do work for Spirit in Wichita. I also used to work for Boeing. As soon as the strike ended I told my wife "Here come the layoffs". It has happened every time there has been a strike at Boeing. Spirit immune to the layoffs plauging the industry? Dont bet on it. Everyday there are more and more people losing their jobs. That translates into less money for people to take that vacation to grandmas for Christmas, that weekend trip to Vegas, that....you get the picture. Less people flying hurts everyone. Right now Spirit is over built because of the strike. How much longer will management keep people on 3 days, when it is cheaper to lay us off so as not to pay for our benefits. If you're not a little anxious over this, then you must be living in a different world then the rest of us. This country hasn't seen anything yet, if congress doesn't help out the automakers. 2,000,000 unemployed is a lot of people. I'd rather see congress bail out the A/I then the Banking and Security industries.
Posted by: dc Location: Wellington on Nov 19, 2008 at 10:40 PM
Too bad to to read some comments in this section. Well, we have to admit and accept the truth that in business we can't guarantee it stays strong. Sometimes it happened like this that business turn down and many of the people getting their bread & butter from it, so it is so sad and depressing, right?..but let us think of wonderful thing and start seeking another job, i think there are still jobs around there that awaits you - don't lose the hope you know and be strong enough to face crisis like this and im sure you grow as well because this is life!
Posted by: Alan Location: Wichita on Nov 19, 2008 at 09:57 PM
Hey K, get a clue, because you do not have one! The military cut back at Boeing is NOT affecting Spirit. I suggest you get your facts straight before aimlessly flapping your gums.
Posted by: Anon on Nov 19, 2008 at 09:08 PM
The United Auto Workers union has bankrupted the automobile industry, and has the companies so burdened with labor costs that they cannot possibly compete with Toyota, Volvo, Nissan, etc. The aircraft industry and the IAM would be smart to apply that lesson to the aviation industry.
Posted by: John Location: Haysville on Nov 19, 2008 at 08:42 PM
It still proves that the amount of morons that Wichita has. The layoffs have nothing to do with the strike. But every moron that thinks it does will have something stupid to say about it
Posted by: K Location: Wichita on Nov 19, 2008 at 07:56 PM
Hey alan, you genius my husband works there and was told this, i am very well aware boeing is the military area in wichita but apparently that does not matter. So before you spout your crap, don't forget others are in the front line of the layoffs and may actually know what they are talking about. Talk about being uneducated and calling the kettle black!
Posted by: Alan Location: Wichita on Nov 19, 2008 at 07:44 PM
If some of you idiots making these stupid comments, actually find your way onto the payroll of an aircraft company, and they, the company, find out that you really are extremely stupid, that can't understand or do your job, you will probably be made a manager. Boeing has used this technique forever, and Spirit is continuing the trend. You go boy, you go girl!!
Posted by: janet Location: Wichita on Nov 19, 2008 at 07:27 PM
Good going union. Protect your company rights and now because of your greed your people have no...Job. When will you learn that when you get greedy you lose. For all of you who said you were on strike to protect your family, you sure did. Hope you don't lose your home and car and everything you have because now you have NO JOB. You deserve it.
Posted by: Alan Location: Wichita on Nov 19, 2008 at 06:58 PM
The stupidity and ignorance runs deep on this comment section of KAKE. The layoffs have nothing to do with the recent strike. It has everything to do with a few military contracts concluding. The plan was to move the employees that were working on these contracts over to the new tanker program for the United States Air Force. But since our wonderful politicians decided to spend our hard earned tax dollars to pay Airbus to build the aircraft instead, these high skilled mod mechanics are now being laid off. You morons that make these totally uninformed comments amaze me, as you probably do others that read this section also. I can't decide if the fact that you are so severely uneducated, that you can not obtain a decent job other than flipping burgers at McDonalds or you are just plan stupid, and feel the need to lash out at persons that are considered skilled labor. And to the genius that thinks a military cutback will affect Spirit, why would it? They are military, we here at Spirit, are in the most part, commercial. Can some of you not read at all? Educate yourselves prior to making a fool of yourself, like making these half witted comments. If you are that stupid, at least try and learn to appear that you know what you are talking about, so far, most on here are failing, miserably.
Posted by: Kenny Location: Wichita on Nov 19, 2008 at 05:26 PM
I just told my wife after the strike, I said "Just wait, now that they are going back to work, boeing will layoff!" I love being right.
Posted by: Joy on Nov 19, 2008 at 05:24 PM
Bet your glad you striked now huh?
Posted by: q Location: a on Nov 19, 2008 at 05:09 PM
I only read that they are laying off in wichita. Will they be laying off in Seattle or any other place?
Posted by: K Location: Wichita on Nov 19, 2008 at 05:02 PM
Was told out of rumor that if Boeing lays off then Spirit will lay off too, just lovely for those that are still on 3 day work weeks out there, only to possibly get laid off after the 1st of the year.
Posted by: john Location: wichita on Nov 19, 2008 at 04:57 PM
Wichita is soon to be the new Detroit in Kansas. The IAM does not know about people....only about greed. I would bet the laid off workers at Beechcraft, Cessna, and Boeing would take a wage cut over layoffs and losing their jobs any day...but thanks IAM...that is not an option. If the companies go bankrupt there will be no jobs for anyone. All of the older employees (IAM members) do not care...seniority makes their jobs safe...or so they think...WAKE UP YOU ARE NEXT! History will show unions to be the demise of american industry. And to think the engineers at Boeing want a 20% pay increase in their new contract? Whatever! Pay attention to Detroit...Wichita is next and the IAM is the issue along with greedy people!
Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 19, 2008 at 03:13 PM
HaHaHa to bad,good thing ya strike...........
Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 19, 2008 at 03:11 PM
It appears the strike for job security.. didn't work out that well.
Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 19, 2008 at 02:20 PM
WAY TO GO IAM!!! Let the Union revel in their victory. Wait victory implies a win - this doesn't look like a win to me....lol...lol...lol...;-)
Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 19, 2008 at 02:06 PM
Anyone want to take a back the strike that the Union just had. Part of the reason why 800 jobs are going to be gone.
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    • Posted By: : Park city looked like the first Iraq war last night!!! It was spectacular,the whole sky was lit up waaayyyy into the night in ALL neighborhoods...like it is EVERY year and did not have ONE incident of a feild or house fire! Sorry you people in Wichita did not get to enjoy! If you're good...we might let you come and see us shoot them next year...but thats only if you're good..kiddys.
    • Posted By: Stacy: These guidelines are good. However, I'm new to Wichita and I have to say I'm shocked at how many people shoot off fireworks in the city proper and in parking lots of businesses andapartment buildings (like the one I live in). If it's illegal to do this, why on earth is it so commonplace? I was in the military for a few years, about 3 of which were spent in a lot of different areas of the continental U.S., not to mention the nearly 18 years I grew up in mosly Montana. I never before have seen an entire city with so many amateur fireworks displays inside of city limits. Law enforcement, why aren't you enforcing anything?
    • Posted By: Anonymous: I agree with Frankie although the sedgwick county fire department says they only enforce the law, they pushed for the fireworks ban. I believe the original was in 1978. I know it was after bottle rockets were made illegal in Kansas. I wish government would quit trying to protect us from ourselves, we need protection from them. I'm sure our tax dollars paid for the signs, putting them up, and then for taking them down stuck all over! KAKE needs to go through it's archives and find the original ban the sedgwick county commissioners signed and also read the constitution it says that we have the right to celebrate our independance with fireworks. For those complaining about fires in rural areas I've lived out in rural sedgwick for over 50 years and the instance of a house or wheatfield fire being caused by fireworks is pretty uncommon. It's a sparsely populated area unlike city living and fireworks tend to go up not shoot out for miles. Farmers intentionally light the stubble after harvest!
    • Posted By: Firefighter: Fireworks were banned in Sedgwick County in 1978. Why? There weren't enough firefighters and equipment to go around. Calls were waiting for a response. Firefighters came to work at 7:00 and didn't see their station until the following morning. There were was much damage to fire equipment. The County department had a tank truck roll. This type of response had been occuring for several years. This doesn't even speak to the damage to stuctures, possesions and the persons that where injured. The departments and civic leaders said enough,and fireworks were banned. Some of you say we are unamerican. Far from the truth. You have asked us to watch after you and assist in the time of need. Sometimes that means prevetion instead of action. I love fireworks as much as the next person. Fireworks have slowly made it back into many communities. If everyone can prove they have self control and caution when using fireworks then, they may come back everywhere. Stay safe this 4th.
    • Posted By: Anonymous: I guess I'm one of the hundreds of others that did not realize ALL FIREWORKS WERE ILLEGAL! (At least For those of us living outside a city limits in sedgwick county). I knew that while some cities Belle Plaine, Clearwater, Haysville, etc.. chose to allow BIG STUFF (the aerials) Wichita did not. The 78' fireworks ban was for the BIG STUFF!! The unincorporated areas had to follow sedgwick county's allowable fireworks same as the city of wichita chose to do. What year did they sneak in NO FIREWORKS AT ALL OF ANY TYPE for unincorporated sedgwick county?? It wasn't in the original ban. Living outside the city limits of any town, even when ALL FIREWORKS were allowed there were no fireworks stands out here, and the news was saying buy where you live, I called the no fire number for the sedgwick county fire department and asked where we should buy fire works that would be legal and I was told in wichita city limits. This is unconstitutional, prejudiced and segregates rural sedgwick county!!!!
    • Posted By: George Washington: This is all silly. I am going outside to set off Fireworks.
    • Posted By: Susan: Ok, I will expect everyone who is upset to show up at the next Sedgwick County council meeting. If you don't even at least call your councilman, than you should not complain.
    • Posted By: Shaun: I think that people in the county needs to remember that this day is to celebrate or freedom as a country!!! China gave us fireworks to help US and a COUNRTY celebrate. To me this is UNAMERICAN!!! Yes, i agree that the big ones that can set major fires sould probly not be shot in rural areas. And all though this law don't affect me personally, it still does as I am a soldier and an American. I am proud of my country. Even if I could only shoot off fountains or what ever I still think that is better than nothing. As long as the person shooting them off is doing it on a concrete surface I don't see why they can't have small fireworks!!!!!
    • Posted By: donald otnes: My daughter called me at 10:15 pm on July 2, 2009. She had people setting off fireworks in her housing district. The kids were firing off the ones that sound like a bomb going off. Are people that stupid to let kids have fireworks that could blow up and take a hand off or even there face.
    • Posted By: miss america: My family is apparently among the wild, irresponsible rednecks in unincorporated Sedgwick county that have shot off fireworks every year on the 4th since I was a baby. It's true there is a need to protect farmers' wheatfields, so I can understand why the county might ban the big fireworks that fly up in the air, and bottle rockets, etc. But, why shouldn't we be able to at least set off the smaller fireworks, such as fountains, that are less dangerous? Why are our families denied the privilege of celebrating the 4th in a safe, fun way just because we live in the unincorporated areas? This fireworks ban on the 4th needs to be loosened up. It's really not fair.
    • Posted By: a: Think about this people! Fireworks are loud and anoying! I am so sick of people setting them off late at night while we are trying to sleep! My baby is being kept up by fireworks because people set them off at two in the morning!Please just think about where you are setting them off like close to houses and apartment buildings. Those are not good places to be doing them!
    • Posted By: Firefighters daughter: For those who think that firefighters just "sit around" you obviously have no idea what these people do. Just looking at the 4th, I can recall as a child how we all wondered if my dad would get to finish his hamburger before being called out to yet another of the many fires he went on that day . The work they do isn't restricted to a summer holiday. Think about the gear they wear...heavy coats, boots, air tanks, even on 100 degree days. Take a walk in their boots and face the fires, car accidents, tornado/storms, floods, and other emergencies they must face with courage, calm, and strength in order to save lives and property. As for "washing the truck" and other maintenance that must be done, do you want a rusted out, broken hosed truck showing up at your house because they DIDN't do those things? I hope they do get a chance to relax, eat, sleep, etc. between the emergencies they must face. I want a well rested and ready fire fighter showing up at my house should I ever need one
    • Posted By: rebecca: hey does anyone know if the little boy that went into QT has been found? I know this isn't the topic but I just wanted to know.
    • Posted By: : h: I believe that fireworks like Black Cats can be used in Derby as well as Wichita (it's been a long time since I've done any here so I wouldn't definitely know). But they might be setting off something bigger like an M50. The main problems they've had is with the ones that burst into showers of colored balls and sparks like we see in the big displays, roman candles, M80s and the ones that spray out sparks. The Eagle Beacon, last year, said that a good rule of thumb is if they shoot out sparks more than about 6 feet from the device then they are probably illegal.
    • Posted By: h: well they are sure shooting them in derby and we're in sedgwick county either they are not banned or the police in derby are not doing anything about the ones that are shooting off fireworks already. Frankly I'm sick of it, the neighborhood kids are shooting them off close to my property and my dogs are having fits, a call to the local police dpt says nothing they can do....so if they are banned in sedgwick county then they should be banned in derby and the derby police dpt needs to start enforcing the ban, if they aren't banned in derby then they need to be, there are other ways of having a good time on the 4th of July without having to endanger your yard, my yard, your life!!!!
    • Posted By: : If everyone was a responible person that means for their self and for the one's that have children, then we wouldn't have had these laws made.The population is so high now that the fire departments are on overload because of the people that will not take responsiblity for their actions.And as far as the fire department setting around!!! Let your house be on fire and then have to wait because these people are not at their work area's because you think they are setting around.I would hate for them to be kept busy 24/7. What would happen to our town without them if that were the case.Already the street that I live on is littered with trash from fire works because people are not responsibly.(not all)
    • Posted By: D: I completely agree with Anonymous at 9:26. Linda, unless you've been living under a rock, it's been well known for years that fireworks are illegal in the city limits. They make the same announcements every year. They don't sell the "big" illegal fireworks in the city but everyone still goes out of city limits to buy them and then come back home and shoot them off out in the neighborhood streets. I've seen fireworks in my neighborhood that would rival the ones at riverfest and Lawrence Dumont stadium and they aren't legal in the city.
    • Posted By: : Cliff: That's true but when they are burned off purposely there are fire control measures in place. When someone sets a fire with fireworks they tend to run away and then it gets out of control. Like I said, I've missed work because of people who do this. The reason why they made them illegal in Sedgwick County to begin with is because most people here are not responsible enough to use them safely. And Linda: They've been telling people every year that they are illegal. Most people just don't pay attention. And they only selll fireworks in Wichita that you can set off in Wichita. That's why they've always said "Shoot them where you buy them".
    • Posted By: Rod: I'm with 'Anonymous on Jul 1, 2009 at 08:08 AM'... Helps us Obama! We need you to protect us from ourselves! ALL PRAISE OBAMA!!!
    • Posted By: Linda: Ok, for one I think if they were illegal, than why didn't we know about it along time ago. I bet that the majority of the people that lives in Wichita didn't know this, and I think it is not right to start enforcing it NOW, I mean come on the main reason why people shoot of fireworks is for the kids entertainment, Also if its going to be illegal than why on earth should selling fireworks at the stands not be? People see the signs that fireworks are illegal, but when they are driving around wichita and see firework stands it just tempts them that much more. So I think its not right.
    • Posted By: cliff: anonomous at 8;08, fireworks are a tradition on the fourth of july. and the "tinderbox "harvesed wheat fields are usually burnt off this time of year anyway even without fireworks.
    • Posted By: : Bottle Rocket Roger: What makes you think being American means you should have the right to set off explosives? For the idiots who think they need to have fireworks: how many of you have to call into work and tell your boss you can't come in because some moron set fire to your house or yard? What about when they go outside the city & set them off in newly harvested wheat fields that are nothing more than tinderboxes at this time of year? Every year for the past six years I've lost pay because idiots cannot control themselves or the fires they set.
    • Posted By: don: its really sad,,,,we are not hardly even "independent" anymore,,,the government has "used" up all are rights,,,,,like the ol' saying goes though "just be glad your not getting ALL the government you pay for",,,,,period, end of sentence !!!!
    • Posted By: : Anonymous who is coming down on firefighters and their "lazy days of washing the trucks and sleeping and cooking meals" has no clue what firefighters do and how many calls many of the stations get,though many are medical. Firefighters are not exactly unpatriotic joy-squelchers, but they are supposed to educate the general public about fire safety. If you even understood all the job entailed you wouldn't talk like that.
    • Posted By: Bottle Rocket Roger: When I lived in a town just north of wichita,we were able to shoot fireworks ALL day long for a week..Park City allows fireworks ALL day long for week,NO problems in either town! We celebrate the 4th like americans in these towns! The people that made fireworks illegal in Wichita and hate the fireworks are ALL UNAMERICAN! Go hide in you're basements and shake like a coward..the M80's are coming!
    • Posted By: : We need two things immediately. One, a petition to remove this descriminatory 1978 law against residents of the county, and secondly, another petition to remove the authors of this law if they are still in office, and any other person in authority that supports it. I'll drive any distance to sign those petitions. Our tax dollars were used to print and post these signs and will also be used again to remove them, and patrol neighborhoods looking for little kids shooting ladyfinger firecrackers. This travesty of the use of our tax dollars must be exposed with those that have attacked Independence Day.
    • Posted By: Bob: Enforce the law! Many firewoks are dangerous, destructive, and disturbing--especially to pets.
    • Posted By: : I never knew there were so many un-educated people around the state. It even says in the text of the story, that the fire department is not going to be doing extra patrolling, due to staffing. People are very careless with their fireworks in the "uncorperated" area's of the county. You add wind, and some dry wood, or brush.. And you cause a very dangerous situation, and put those "poorly staffed" fire deparments that respond in danger. ****If you live in a town/city in "sedgwick County".. you need to check your local laws. The no fireworks law - is for "uncorprated" - aka *NOT IN CITY LIMITS*
    • Posted By: Michelle: Can't we come to a compromise? Make them illigal everyday of the year, except the 4th? I agree with the ones on here that said we are celebrating our FREEDOM! This is what the USA is about. Hotdogs, baseball and fireworks! 8-)
    • Posted By: Kristy: "But many like Sedgwick County Resident Michael Dixson don't plan on breaking the law." Seriously - someone who writes for a news station should be familiar with proper grammar usage.
    • Posted By: : How ironic it is that it's Independance Day however; they tell you that you can't fire off any fireworks.....at least any that are worth paying money for. Yes, we're slowly on our way to becoming a communist country. I miss Archie Bunker!
    • Posted By: : Why even celebrate??? Pretty sad when Amerians can't participate in the tradation and celebration of America's Indepandance. I feel for you rual Sedwick County people. Sedwick County SUCKS!!
    • Posted By: Tim: The Fire Department IS NOT encouraging people to call 911 every time they see people shooting fireworks, this will create an unnecessary strain on the 911 system. The problem is being worked on and will take time to get things all straightened out. If you have an emergency or a problem that warrants calling 911 by all means call 911. What is not needed is a call to 911 every time you see someone shooting a firecracker.
    • Posted By: : The fire departments are going out of their way with NO FIREWORKS signs just because they don't want to have to work any more than they have to. Little fire here and there disrupts their lazy days of washing the trucks and sleeping and cooking meals!
    • Posted By: topper: at one time you couldn't shoot fire works in dodge, now that we can the 2nd through the 5th i think. i havent heard of more fires or whatever it is you think is going to happen if you were to allow.. its the 4th of july, and you stoping people from celebrating. thats dumb if you ask me. besides, people are going to shoot them off no matter what you do.
    • Posted By: Frankie: The Fire Department says it only enforces the law against fireworks in Sedgwick County, but I've lived here since 1938 and I remember that it was the Sedgwick County Fire Department that pushed for the County Commissioners to pass the illegal fireworks law.
    • Posted By: anoymous: It is a little confusing, because Park City has fireworks tents all over, but I thought Bel Aire and Park City were actually their own "cities", and not part of unincorporated Sedgwick County. And they are allowed in Goddard,I checked out the website. I wish there was a central list posted where they are legal/illegal, because I do think there is confusion about this, especially when I thought I heard people in Bel Aire saying they purchased permits in the past. Can anyone elaborate?
    • Posted By: Debby: If they are illegal why are they sold in the city where they are illegal?
    • Posted By: : Isn't it funny how it's called Independance Day but yet big brother wants to tell us we can't shoot fireworks? Screw you big brother!! I'm firing mine off!!
    • Posted By: Elmer: I saw on the news that you are asking the neighbors to report the people who are using fireworks to the police. Hitler did the same thing when enforcing his laws. Are we coming closer to socialist government, or are you just trying to create a community that is untenable due to loss of trust in neighbors? I can't believe we are repeating history again.
    • Posted By: bob: i think the county is forgetting what we are celebrating, our independence. so they should let us shoot them where you buy them.
    • Posted By: Justin: Land of the Free, My hind end. Restrictions yes, understandable. But, all out ban? This is not the America I fought for!!!!! Maybe before long we won't have any independence to celebrate!!! And I'm sure the fire fighters are just having to do what there told. Heck, most of them love fire or they wouldn't be doing there job.
    • Posted By: : "fire dept only enforces the law" im sure they had a say in how it was created. thats like saying police dont have a quota when writing tickets when im sure they do. how else are police measured when trying for promotions and raises--its by how many tickets they write, how many crimes they solve, ect. people are gonna shoot off fireworks and worry bout what happens later because this is the one time in the year that we get to do so! plus it helps celebrate america's birthday !!
    • Posted By: Mikea: I sure wish there was something we could do about the rednecks who insist on setting off the big heavy skybursts in our neighborhood at 1am every night. Fireworks should be illegal inside the city. Loud car radios are, and fireworks are more dangerous.
    • Posted By: Bob: Ok maybe this is a stupid question, but what is unincorporated Sedgwick County? What is meant by that?
    • Posted By: AJ Simkatu: Everyone knows that fireworks that go up in the sky are illegal, even in the city of Wichita. The problem is that nobody cares. Most people think the ban is a ridiculous overreaction to a small problem. People are sick of the nanny state telling us what we can and can't do with our own lives and property. What's next, ban skydiving, skiing, riding dirt bikes, mountain climbing? The government needs to mind its own business and stay out of ours.
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